Bluey Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Hi all, I've got a GRS chute that has just reached 6 years of age and according to the manufacturer it is now due for a repack. Has anyone had any experience with this? The only place to get it done is in the US where it was manufactured. Is it worth it as the transport cost will be high due to the attached rocket that needs to be sent back with it. I'm not even sure it can be sent back due to the live rocket? Bluey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I am about to get a Magnum chute they come by sea freight same as the way you must send it back to the manufacturer to be repacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 don't send the rocket. cost me about $4k to get my 2 brs repacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 So, you can remove the rocket from the rest of package. Sounds Dangerous? I'm not sure if you can do this with the GRS system. I haven't seen anything about this on their website. Bluey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 you leave the rocket on the airframe and send off the parachute to get it repacked. mine looked almost new when they came arrived. my planes came into Australia with the rockets attached to them. even the customs guys didn't notice them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Anyone know the specific procedure for removing the rocket from a GRS parachute. I can't seem to be able to find any reference to this anywhere online. Bluey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 I've managed to find a online manual and it clearly states that the complete unit needs to be returned as they replace the rocket motor as well as air out the chute every 6 years. Bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Anyone know of a good shipping company? Bluey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastmeg2 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Hi Bluey, You say it's a GRS, not a BRS . . . GRS come from Czech Republic in Eastern Europe, not from the USA like BRS does. Then again maybe BRS is offering to repack your GRS? I bought a GRS-450 in 2004 from an Australian dealer who cannot be mentioned here. (Literally, his name gets changed to "*****"). I handed my GRS back to the dealer to send for a new rocket & repack at Temora Natfly 2011 and apparently the factory has just received it. The Oz dealer is taking care of the shipping back to his Oz location (different state and 10 hours drive each way for me), where I'll need to collect it from. Expected cost is a bit under $2k. Cheers, Glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 12 month wait for shipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 These safety devices seem to be quite "unsafe" at times. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Wow! Thanks Glen, 12 months to get to them. Not sure it's worth bothering with if we can expect a turn around time of two years. We may as well just get a BRS replacement. I had no idea they weren't made in the USA. Just my ignorance... Bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 BRS aren't the best company to deal with. FedEx and UPS offer "business accounts" where the business charges you "retail" and the shipper gets 50% back. Makes your repack pretty expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 I know the repack life is 6 years but given that a repack seems pointless and a replacement is the best option, any idea how long after repack is due the chute should remain viable for? To put it more simply, how urgently does it need to be replaced given that it has always been kept in a hangar out of the weather when the aircraft was not been flown? Bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidh10 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 ... To put it more simply, how urgently does it need to be replaced given that it has always been kept in a hangar out of the weather when the aircraft was not been flown? As with all "use by dates", you won't know till it goes off, or in this case fails to go off! On the other hand maybe it could go off, by itself due to deterioration, which can just be oxidation of the propellant. Propellant isn't ever completely "pure", it contains impurities that can cause degradation or even in some cases instability. I'd suggest contacting the manufacturer or service agent with any queries. This small excerpt from the BRS manual is quite specific: All BRS rocket motors must be replaced by their date of expiry. These service datesare printed on placards on the sides of the parachute container and rocket. When the rocket is due for replacement, DO NOT ship it to BRS!! It is highly illegal and dangerous for our customers to ship loaded rockets and propellant without the proper packaging and documentation. When the time has come for replacement, please contact BRS for service instructions on how to safely disassemble your rocket and dispose of it properly. Obviously your system may have different instructions in the Manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 I just spoke to an instructor who only recently tried to get one into the country and failed. Apparently getting the GRS out is easy enough but getting it back in seems impossible. It looks as though it will need to be disposed of. Even that could be an expensive problem. Bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Does anyone have any examples of mishaps involving either the BRS or GRS? Bluey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfox1 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Hi does the rocket need changing, if not l have a chute re packer in Melbourne he has done my chute over the last few times ,one of my BRS chutes he converted to spring loaded got rid off the rocket as it was out of date.. He only charges few hundred dollars he is qualified repacker. cheers Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 According to the GRS manual, they replace the rocket every 6 years and repack the chute. If I could get the name and number of the person in Melbourne that would be great. Thanks Geoff. Bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 So, you can remove the rocket from the rest of package. Sounds Dangerous? I'm not sure if you can do this with the GRS system. I haven't seen anything about this on their website.Bluey It's easy if you're a rocket scientist. Hi does the rocket need changing, if not l have a chute re packer in Melbourne he has done my chute over the last few times ,one of my BRS chutes he converted to spring loaded got rid off the rocket as it was out of date..He only charges few hundred dollars he is qualified repacker. cheers Geoff Spring loaded BRSs sound like a great idea if it is just as effective as a rocket propelled unit. I wonder if this could be a good commercially viable option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfox1 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 It's easy if you're a rocket scientist. Spring loaded BRSs sound like a great idea if it is just as effective as a rocket propelled unit. I wonder if this could be a good commercially viable option? Hi the only difference is the deployment hight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfox1 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 According to the GRS manual, they replace the rocket every 6 years and repack the chute. If I could get the name and number of the person in Melbourne that would be great.Thanks Geoff. Bluey. Hi Bluey give Joe a ring here are all his details.Joe Chitty, 43 Wilfred Road, Ivanhoe, Vic 3079, (03) 9499 6105, Fx 03 9354 2795 , Mbl 0412 704 708. Email: [email protected]. Tony Maurer, Lot 56 Lee ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluey Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Thanks Geoff.. Bluey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 80kts rocket powered chutes can save you as close as 180ft AGL the spring loaded ones would be much much higher the deployment time would be far greater The Magnum chute I am getting is the 600kg version it is US$4500. I am not sure on the freight costs yet though or when it has to go back about trashing the rocket before sending it then after repacking they send it with a new rocket. The magnum chutes are also know as "Junkers" brand in europe Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 doesn't the second chantz one use compressed air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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