near beaudesert...2 deceased

[Kyle Communications]

Just saw a crash reported near Beaudesert at Allenview maybe someone from Boonah. Not sure what the aircraft is from the photo

 

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[JEM]

Here is another link

 

My condolences. So sad.

 

Two dead in light plane crash south-west of Brisbane

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

This is the second DA40 in less than 3 weeks

 

 

[shafs64]

Looking at some of pictures it looks like they came in hard. A lot of schools use DA40 was it a training flight?

 

 

[Teckair]

Pity to see a crash on what looks like a good place for a emergency landing.

 

 

[BLA82]

Pity to see a crash on what looks like a good place for a emergency landing.

That turf farm is far from flat. It is really undulating and would be very deceiving in the event of a emergency landing.

They are saying it was registered to a company in Springfield, the USQ Aviation dept is in Springfield

 

 

[HeliPilot70]

Based on the flattened grass in front of the left wing and behind the right, I wonder if it was a developed and very flat spin impact?

 

 

[cooperplace]

no scrape marks that I can see in the turf.

 

 

[HeliPilot70]

no scrape marks that I can see in the turf.

No scrapes, just flattened grass.

 

 

[BLA82]

No scrapes, just flattened grass.

Unfortunately I think that might just be traffic marks from the paramedics and helpers trying to assist

 

 

[BLA82]

Based on the flattened grass in front of the left wing and behind the right, I wonder if it was a developed and very flat spin impact?

Sorry Helipilot you might be correct.

"Plane (was) flying above the turf farm here, and it’s gone into a bit of a spiral and crashed into the middle of the turf farm," Inspector Brown said.

 

 

[red750]

Channel 9 report says a mayday call was attempted but not completed. See below. The spinner was shown buried into the turf.

 

 

On the Channel 7 report, Insp Brown said the aircraft was witnessed in an "anti-clockwise" spiral.

 

Mayday call attempted before fatal light plane crash near Beaudesert

 

 

[biggles]

That turf farm is far from flat. It is really undulating and would be very deceiving in the event of a emergency landing.They are saying it was registered to a company in Springfield, the USQ Aviation dept is in Springfield

Looks pretty good to me, in fact if I have to do an outlanding this would do me nicely .... Bob

 

 

[turboplanner]

Looks pretty good to me, in fact if I have to do an outlanding this would do me nicely .... Bob

Just for your future reference then, turf farms are often heavily irrigated and the surface can be very boggy.

 

 

[BLA82]

Just for your future reference then, turf farms are often heavily irrigated and the surface can be very boggy.

And the colour and texture majes them look flat

 

 

[Teckair]

And the colour and texture majes them look flat

Just saw it on the news looked as flat as it could get and not boggy or wet either. Completely ideal for a out landing how ever they said it spiraled in from 800 metres and no motor noise. As we have no idea what happened best to wait for the ATSB report.

 

 

[onetrack]

Everything I can see about this turf farm, shows a dead flat surface, and firm enough to drive single-drive fire trucks with a GVM of up to 14 tonnes, on it.

 

Two men dead in light plane crash south-west of Brisbane

 

 

[MartyG]

Deepest sympathys to both deceased familys & friends, very sad indeed.

 

 

[geoffreywh]

How the hell do you manage to do that.................It just defies logic.

 

 

[onetrack]

The instructors name has been released - he was 31 yr old Matthew Furlong from Brisbane. His student was a Hong Kong national, whose name is yet to be released.

 

Light plane crash victim named

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Everything I can see about this turf farm, shows a dead flat surface, and firm enough to drive single-drive fire trucks with a GVM of up to 14 tonnes, on it.

Been there twice, and I've laid turf from there, it's plenty supportive as the trucks well prove.

 

How the hell do you manage to do that.................It just defies logic.

Spin training maybe? Plane failure at a guess as he was calling an emergency in whereas you would think he would be too busy fighting the plane to call it in if it was functioning normally?

 

However it seems to me to be yet another case where a BRS could be cited as being a posible aid to the situation. This was a highly trained pilot in a very well maintained aircraft, as was the glider a few weeks ago killing 2, as was the one that spun in a few weeks before that killing the student, so much for the anti-BRS protagonists who cite these 2 factors for not needing a BRS. I have never had a situation to need a seatbelt in my car, I ain't going to stop wearing it either, no one drives or flies expecting to have an accident.

 

 

[onetrack]

It's interesting that close witness reports state that they only heard a "thump" on impact - there's no mention of engine noise, or an engine exhaust pitch change.

 

It's difficult to see if the prop shows signs of rotation under power at impact - but I think I can see one blade partly-buried, level with the turf, that would appear to indicate it wasn't under power at impact.

 

Until the crash report comes out, one can only surmise that they were practising some type of emergency, and had engine failure at a critical moment, leading to an inability to recover, resulting in a flat spin.

 

What is puzzling is that they would appear to be initially at a relatively low height, to be unable to recover from the spin.

 

By all reports, the DA-40 is reliable enough, but to have two crash in a fortnight, and both in training situations, with instructors aboard, is of great concern.

 

 

[shafs64]

if they had an engine failure you would set best glide.do your trouble checks get out a pan or mayday. how do you go from that to a spin. a few people saw it rotating to the left.

 

 

[Yenn]

It has been shown time and time again that we don't always trim for best glid. Sometime we pull the stick back instintively and suffer the consequences.

 

I doubt that a BRS would have saved anyone in the low level spins that we are witnessing.

 

 

[SSCBD]

Can anyone see any forward skid or sliding on the ground marks at all, as it looks its very flat spin with zero forward momentum? Weird to me.