Carbon Canary Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Early reports of a plane crash at the end of the runway at Armidale, northern NSW from Armidale Express newspaper Two male occupants 23 yrs old and 53 yrs old are injured. Emergency services are in attendance. Let's hope they are OK. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 No mention of weather conditions? Nev. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon Canary Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, facthunter said: No mention of weather conditions? Nev. Skies were clear but there was a strong westerly for most of the day peaking at around 1pm with gusts to 28kts and the incident happening around midday. There is an east/ west grass strip but the main bitumen strip is 05/23. Unknown which strip they were using but the aircraft appears to have finished up on the grass. Aircraft maybe a Morgan ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty 1 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 https://fb.watch/kjbx7Sn4ND/ 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 From the news video and incident report it sounds like a messed up go round, aerodynamic stall, wing drop, cart wheel. Stalling, from any height, is and always has been the number one way light aircraft crash. How do we fix this? Airline pilots never stall their aircraft, should us simple flyers try to emulate them? No disrespect is intended to any pilot. 3/5/2023 Armidale Airport NSW Morgan Aeroworks Cougar Viking Aircraft HF-110 STATUS: Under review OCCURRENCE DETAILS SUBMITTED TO RAAUS: During landing there was a gust of wi... STATUS: Under review OCCURRENCE DETAILS SUBMITTED TO RAAUS: During landing there was a gust of wind. Aircraft powered up and subsequently impacted terrain. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 There are conditions anyone has to be lucky to cope with that Airliners to U/Ls may encounter. Downbursts have caught a few airliners and dust devils a few smaller planes. Sea breezes coming through and strong frontal effects wind shear etc. Luck, Skill and Avoidance play a part. Some Airliners have stalled in icing conditions. Using Alt hold with an autopilot is not safe from a stall protection point of view. Airlines fly much closer to stall certainly as a % than most other aircraft do.. Nev 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 The aircraft involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 It looks like a nice plane. This photo is a Heck Field ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Don't know. Could see Cougar and rego on video above, searched it and got that photo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth lacey Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 It was at Heck field for a while Jamie owned it but sold it on a few years ago it wnt down south Grafton area i think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Edwards Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) Such a nice plane to see that happen to Edited May 7, 2023 by C Edwards Update 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekliston Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 On 5/5/2023 at 5:51 AM, Thruster88 said: From the news video and incident report it sounds like a messed up go round, aerodynamic stall, wing drop, cart wheel. Stalling, from any height, is and always has been the number one way light aircraft crash. How do we fix this? Airline pilots never stall their aircraft, should us simple flyers try to emulate them? No disrespect is intended to any pilot. 3/5/2023 Armidale Airport NSW Morgan Aeroworks Cougar Viking Aircraft HF-110 STATUS: Under review OCCURRENCE DETAILS SUBMITTED TO RAAUS: During landing there was a gust of wi... STATUS: Under review OCCURRENCE DETAILS SUBMITTED TO RAAUS: During landing there was a gust of wind. Aircraft powered up and subsequently impacted terrain. If you believe that airline pilots never stall their planes then you need to watch a few videos by Mentour pilot on Youtube! Most recent one I’ve seen was on television news ATR 72? and I’m sure at least half the membership of this forum would have seen it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRviator Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 4 hours ago, derekliston said: If you believe that airline pilots never stall their planes then you need to watch a few videos by Mentour pilot on Youtube! Most recent one I’ve seen was on television news ATR 72? and I’m sure at least half the membership of this forum would have seen it! In their defence though, it's hard not to stall it when you shut down the wrong engine! Then there's the Dash at Buffalo, AF447 of course and a host more besides.. Hell, even GT's "Worlds safest airline", Qaintarse, came within a bees dick of stalling a perfectly good 747 in CAVU conditions entering the hold because they overwrote FMC speed and didn't monitor the PFD and injured a half-dozen pax and crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekliston Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 8 hours ago, KRviator said: In their defence though, it's hard not to stall it when you shut down the wrong engine! Then there's the Dash at Buffalo, AF447 of course and a host more besides.. Hell, even GT's "Worlds safest airline", Qaintarse, came within a bees dick of stalling a perfectly good 747 in CAVU conditions entering the hold because they overwrote FMC speed and didn't monitor the PFD and injured a half-dozen pax and crew. Plus an awful lot of years ago a BEA Trident super-stalled over Slough just missing going into a reservoir but still killing everyone on board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 They pulled the flaps up before they gained enough speed because they were arguing... Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekliston Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, facthunter said: They pulled the flaps up before they gained enough speed because they were arguing... Nev Doesn’t matter why they stalled, fact is they stalled which completely gainsays that previous comment that “airline pilots don’t stall!” Edited May 8, 2023 by derekliston Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 They could have mucked up in many ways IF they aren't paying attention. I don't support the contention that airline pilots don't stall but certainly they should be carefully selected and properly trained. Inadvertent stalls by any pilot should not happen. Nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossK Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Dan Gryder asked the pertinent question of GA and airline pilots; "Manoeuvering Speed, is it a minimum or a maximum??" The resulting answers are eye opening. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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