Old Koreelah Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 This young mother has a great idea, which may have applications with some of us: [/url]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-12/seatbelt-covers-helping-people-in-emergencies-prove-a-hit/11199254 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I hope she patents the idea before some US corporation steals another Aussie idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 The idea is sound in principle - but it does have its limitations and potential issues. What happens when a passenger or driver fails to fasten their seatbelt (not unusual, quite a percentage of crash victims are not wearing their seatbelts). If there are multiple numbers of people in a crashed vehicle, the emergency responders then have to try and figure out which person belongs to which seat - as victims are sometime not in the position they originally occupied. A better and simpler idea is wearing a bracelet or wristband, which has less chance of becoming separated from the victim, thus leading to confusion. The MedicAlert bracelet is well-known and well-understood, it can include all relevant medical/assistance info needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 IF That hand is still attached to a person, bits fall off in some crashes. ( Daughter & hubby are first responders) spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Illegal to add to the seatbelt assembly which is a ADR approved item. There have been instances of people being booked. Cheers, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 What about the sheepskin seatbelt pads? Are they illegal, too? My missus demands them, she reckons the seatbelts cut into her. [/url]https://www.goodwool.com.au/product/sheepskin-seat-belt-cover/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 What about the sheepskin seatbelt pads? Are they illegal, too? My missus demands them, she reckons the seatbelts cut into her. [/url]https://www.goodwool.com.au/product/sheepskin-seat-belt-cover/ Unfortunately, if Police want to be picky you can be nailed for them. Cheers, Jack. https://www.legislation.gov.au/details/F2019L00026 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markl Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I do a lot of driving a year and find that the seat belts become uncomfortable with the constant retracting pressure , what I do is pull the seat belt enough to take the pressure off but not to loose and where it retracts back in the car I use a clothe peg on the seat belt to stop it retracting back it works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I do a lot of driving a year and find that the seat belts become uncomfortable with the constant retracting pressure , what I do is pull the seat belt enough to take the pressure off but not to loose and where it retracts back in the car I use a clothe peg on the seat belt to stop it retracting back it works for me Two things are likely to happen: in a crash the clothes peg will become a lethal weapon, and, when the slack is taken up like a whip cracking you will be seriously injured from broken collarbone to fatal internal injuries. Don't even think of doing it. Up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 As long as these lightweight signs can't reach the section of the belt which retracts onto the reel, they may be acceptable, but the place to find out is in the Australian Design Rules section of Department of Infrastructure, Regional Development and Cities which the person developing the idea should consult: Third Edition Australian Design Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 11. Modifications and extension of approval of the vehicle type or safety-belt or restraint system type 11.1. Every modification of the vehicle type or the belt or restraint system or both shall be notified to the Type Approval Authority which approved the vehicle type or safety-belt or restraint system type. The Authority may then either: 11.1.1. Consider that the modifications made are unlikely to have an appreciable adverse effect and that in any case the vehicle or safety-belt or restraint system still complies with the requirements; I would say that placing a cover slip on the sash of a seatbelt in a position that does not stop the correct function of the belt is OK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You may thinks so, it’s even commonsense and logical BUT, the law does not think so. Ask your state transport dept and get written confirmation. It won’t happen..... Cheers, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w3stie Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 These ideas are hard to hold on to in this internet age. Clever people in China are beavering away, as we speak, to bring the same product to market without paying any royalties or fees. Count on it. While this may result in the product being brought to market quickly and cheaply, it will also introduce chinglish misspellings etc., that whilst hilarious, may not offer much in the way of health advice. In fact I foresee a whole new market of gag or novelty health advice warnings including : Do not treat, I always look like this, Allergic to plasma, must be given alcohol, and so on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You may thinks so, it’s even commonsense and logical BUT, the law does not think so. Ask your state transport dept and get written confirmation. It won’t happen..... Cheers, Jack. This is not a State transport matter Jack, so while local police may have an opinion on the road, there are two formal systems in place covering motor vehicle design, 1. The ADR system in the link above where the compliance details are available. 2. Where a modification is wanted, which does not comply with the ADR, The Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 where you submit your design to an approved signatory, and he/she assesses it and does/doesn't sign it of. I've personally modified thousands of vehicles in every State and Territory under this system, and it works very smoothly and takes very little time, so no great obstacle to someone setting out to manufacture and sell these provided they either do not interfere with the ADR details, or are approved by a signatory when the design can be shown to comply with the ADR performance requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Tell that story to a policeman :-). And don’t get me wound up on the mod plate system, lots of dodgy practices going on there, seen it all :-( Cheers, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Tell that story to a policeman :-). And don’t get me wound up on the mod plate system, lots of dodgy practices going on there, seen it all :-( Cheers, Jack. That's not a story, it's the legal process for ADR items in a car. I haven't bothered to check if this item is ADR compliant, just provided the link for the person who came up with the idea. The police will be assessing the compliance on the same basis as the supplier so there should be no problem there. Let's say this produce complies with the applicable ADR. There may be some initial confusion by police, but a stamp saying "Complies with ADR XXX" should fix that on the spot, and internal police memos should provide a permanent fix. Like any part of human society, about 5% will not be complying with anything including the Vehicle Modification Scheme, and they are destined for the love/hate relationship with the Compliance and Enforcement community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 It would be good if the person who has come up with the seat belt idea can go ahead. But, they will have to jump through ADR hoops with no real guarantee of success. Sadly, our stupid modern world :-) Cheers, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 It would be good if the person who has come up with the seat belt idea can go ahead. But, they will have to jump through ADR hoops with no real guarantee of success. Sadly, our stupid modern world :-) Cheers, Jack. That is just not true. I'm in the business and as I mentioned I've processed thousands of different non-standard vehicles through the modification vehicle system, and all finished up compliant. The system is there, it is waiting to be used, and Natalie Bell just has to click on the link I provided to know if she even has to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Modifications to seatbelt assembly’s will need to be ADR retested as a complete assembly, crash dummies and all, probably. I am sure it would not be signed of as a simple addition/modification, restraint systems in vehicles is a very touchy subject. Cheers, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Modifications to seatbelt assembly’s will need to be ADR retested as a complete assembly, crash dummies and all, probably. I am sure it would not be signed of as a simple addition/modification, restraint systems in vehicles is a very touchy subject. Cheers, Jack. Did you get that from looking at the ADR on the link? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Read chapters 6&7 in the document I linked, it’s not getting better for the proposed idea :-( Cheers, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I'll back Turbo. What I posted was straight from the ADR. I wish people would stop sprouting off about things they have no experience of, especially correctly interpreting and applying legislation. And I hate people who insist on painting police as automotons with a strict black and white application of legislation. If you haven't been a Copper don't expound on the process of policing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I would have thought that having such a sign on your person would be more sense than having it on a car seat belt. It is far more likely to be correct, than if it is on a belt worn by someone else. Also not everyone stays within their seat belt in an accident. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I'll back Turbo. What I posted was straight from the ADR. I wish people would stop sprouting off about things they have no experience of, especially correctly interpreting and applying legislation. And I hate people who insist on painting police as automotons with a strict black and white application of legislation. If you haven't been a Copper don't expound on the process of policing. You can back who you like, and you can hate me too. Police are not always right and don’t like being questioned on anything. It seems that trying to contribute on some subjects ain’t worth the grief. Leave you with it OME. Cheers, Jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 OME 's all right even though he's been a copper. He's now a pilot. of the best type of aircraft but to the subject... Fix...' Just clip/ Velcro it to your clothing. The ADR doesn't specify what you wear. Set belts often cut into your neck/shoulder. I recall when the (Australian) ADR's made a Porsche model unroadworthy here until the full H harness was replaced with a lap sash and the tacho was made to be altered to be smaller than the speedo. . Anyhow THEY call the shots. .Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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