Scooby

Welcome Coinz!

Truly sad, any regular at Caboolture knows this plane. My thoughts to family, friends, and at the Caboolture Aero Club. My heartfelt thoughts and prayers to them all!

QLD Police update: Update: The ultralight plane wreckage was located just north of Beerburrum - Woodford Rd at Glasshouse Mountains.

Welcome mate! Good forum community here, Fly safe, Scoob

Geez mate, all the best for you and the family, hopefully it wont be long and you'll be back on your feet and tuckin into a snag at another Gofly BBQ! Take care

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It may very well be safe to fly and each pilot is different, but ultimately your the PIC and if you dont feel right then don't fly. The safety of the plane is one thing, you have to feel it's safe within yourself as well. You did the right thing!

Trikes are awesome, back to basics flying! I fly both trikes and 3 axis. Haven't been up in the trike for a while, the wind up here has kept our toys in the hanger. Enjoy your flying!

Well done! Remember that feeling well!

Now you have done it! It's in your blood now :-)

From what im hearing, Des' wife and 2 other couples were onboard! Anyone who spends regular time around YCAB, knows this plane. It gets around a fair bit. Still got hopes they will be found.

Welcome Dan!

Excelent video Sally! Definately enjoyed watching, thanks for posting

That was Brilliant!

For sure!

Fair enough. Thanks for the comments, i achieved what i set out to do by posting this thread and that was to get different opinions from pilots more experienced than me. So thanks guys

The only way a CFI could possibly prevent the bounce is if he was flying the a/c himself. I'm talking about the student in control and i have ballooned on landing enough times as a student with an instructor next to me to know that he will react after it happens.

Conrtolled risk is in every part of our training as pilots, but when an instructor gives up that control for only a few seconds things can very well go to crap. Think of it, the instructor shuts down the engine in flight, all procedures are carried out normaly, the student over flairs and now the aircraft is in a bounce, now nobody has any control over the plane and no matter how experienced a CFI is, he cannot 100% prevent this from happening and the risk started when he flipped the switches. At least if the throttle was pulled to idle, the CFI has not lost any control in the risk. Even if the plan was to restart the engine before landing, what if it didn't start and then you are in a position where you have to land it dead stick. Like i said, i can see the benefit of doing dead stick, but the CFI giving up total control is just too much of a risk, and IMHO too dangerous Like Ballpoint246niner said in his earlier post, The CFI must be damn sure he can handle the situation or have alot to answer to. But when he gives up that control for 2 seconds things can go nasty.

After giving it a bit of thought, you make good points to the benefits of dead sticking. Being that in PFL's everything is simulated, best glide (i can see dead stick, this could be different), engine restart procedures, being in best glide distance, radio procedures, Pax briefing, ect. Is there really any major benefit to teaching a student dead stick? I don't see a problem with it when the risks are controlled as you say, but is the instructor in control when the aircraft bounces and there is no option of full throttle?

This is a good comment, it gives me a bit more to think about.Cheers

Thats exactly the line of thinking thats in my mind. While completly dead stickin it creates the realism of the situation, is it really necessary? You have that moment before landing that an instructor can't help with if it goes nasty. My instructors sure put me in surprise situations and installed in me solid situation awareness by pulling the power off and saying, "well, what are you going to do"?. I have never been in a glider, but gliding without an engine is what they do. My main point is, if you have a real emergency in flight and the engine stops, do you think to yourself, "I wish i had of done some real dead stick practice"? I can see the point made my mozartmerv about experiencing the real thing, but is the risk worth teaching it to students.

Your right Tomo, but the video in question was a CTLS

I recently had a debate with some people on youtube. I watched a video where an instructor was taking a student through PFL practice in which he completely stopped the engine. My point is that by doing this, it has become an actual emergency as now the aircraft must be landed safely. The way i look at it is that if the aircraft bounced, there would be no chance of recovery without the application of full throttle and the instructor has no control over the aircraft if this was the case. My question is, would you consider this an actual emergency? Is there any real benefit to PFL's being done with a completely stopped engine? Cheers

I watch it for Ariel, she's a hottie!

Good on ya Russell. Great area for flyin!