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Was still looking for something suitable

Didn't see the point in Building something that I needed a PPL(H) for which cost a fortune

Hence the original Question was about a Recreational rotatory License

And I still haven't got an answer to my Question

Story Floating around a while ago was

A first year Auto Mechanic apprentice was told to fill a car with oil

The supervising mechanic returned after attending to a Customer

To find a pallet of empty 5 Lt oil containers

Filled the car alright as was instructed

Americans have a License, we have a Licence. I don't know why this is so hard to grasp . I know I sound anal and who cares, but I feel that Australia is losing its identity with American english creeping in. Like Jail instead of Gaol.

Total irrelevant to the question and pedantic

Nothing in Part 61 has changed RA-AUS certificates or aircraft opera ration. Don't confuse your Recreational Pilots Certificate (issued by RA-AUS) with the Part 61 Recreational Pilots License (issued by CASA) they are not the same or interchangeable.

HHmm ok so they are 2 different things

I'm confused???

Same Qualification different governing body?????

Been away for this site (and others for a while (Long story))

Come back on expecting to see lots of Hype about Part 61 Changes

To my surprise I haven't found anything

Around this time last year the changes got put on hold till later in the year

It was to have a huge impact on lots of things flying related

Told it was put into play late September but what really changed??

There was talk of a Recreational Rotary wing Licence???

Have heard the GA GFPT is replaced with a Recreational Licence

Is this licence the same as a Recreational Certificate

The New Recreational Licence requires 20 dual as compared to the 15 hrs previous and MTOW is now 1500KG compared to 540KG or what it was previously??

What about Stall speed

Does this mean someone with a Rec License can now fly VH registered aircraft to MTOW of 1500KG

HAs anything chance regarding RA-Aus registered Aircraft

What other changes where made

Huge user of Facebook and other social media

But I asked a question on RA Aus Facebook site only to be told to ring there office for the answer

So I guess what's the point??

Old thread I know but

Jim did you ever get any more info in this

There website doesn't say to much (like where the designer lives, Doesn't even say what currency the cost of the plans are??)

Recently came across a fellow in Melbourne who is planning to build one

so can you afford a bad one?

Or someone who is more interested in one achieving there dream as opposed to one who is lining there own pocket

No, but it certainly doesnt mean your training is better either:) How would it be for your industry if everyone offered the service for free or next to it?

There is the Horsham flying club in Vic, Jab $140 Hr Training but have no reports on Training

http://www.horshamflyingclub.org.au/lsa_flight_training.htm

How much is your life worth in an emergency. Cheap lessons usually equate to cheap information and skipped essentials. I would rather pay someone fair dollars and receive quality training because one day my life will depend on it. How much does learning to fly Raa Aus equate to the cost of your aircraft and its repairs. Just sayin'

Ill pay $140/h you make up the difference for a good school as I cannot afford one

Possibly mate. Pretty scary. It certainly is true, but a standard must be reached and demonstrated.

I disagree. There can be a huge diff in the certificate your issued.

I'm tipping yours says exactly the same as everyone else's

I digress

Another way of looking at it

I'm a trained and accredited sports coach

I offer my services to others that want to be coached for free

Why because I love the chosen sport and want to see others excel and numbers increase

Does this mean the next coach that is charging $$$$$ any better coach than me??

The old proverb "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. Better aircraft cost more money, good servicing and keeping aircraft in good condition costs more money, paying professional instructors costs more money, good facilities cost more money. It's about value for money not the cheapest hourly rate.

At the end of the day its still the same certificate

What about Vic other than Horsham

Woorayl air services near Leongatha are $170/h cheapest around here

http://www.wooraylairservices.com.au/

I believe there is a Flying school in Tasmania that's $150/h

A lot of university's are offering this now

I have seen it advertised as a Vet Fee Free approved course

In other words (My understanding) is the government will lend you the money to do the course (under very loose conditions) and you don't have to pay it back until and/or if you earn so much a year

I have even seen it advertised to do via online studies with the flight training done at your local flying school (that's how it was worded)

And the Minimum outcome was a Rec Licence

Could this be a free way of obtaining a Pilots Licence / Certificate

Or even a train now pay later thing

Wondering if stall speed can be lowered

And how it is calculated

I'm looking at scratch building a KR2-s for Ra-Aus rego that has a stall speed of 52MPH (according to the specs)

This equates to 45.1868 Just over

Would they allow this

If you are referring to SOAR, the text in brackets on their web page answers your question which defines their unrestricted pilot certificate training as the Cross Country Endorsement.

Just came across a Melbourne flying school offering training for an Un-Restricted Pilot Certificate

10hrs required but there Restricted Pilot Certificate is 20hrs

Can I assume you have to have restricted before Un-Restricted

What's the difference

I'm confused??

Strange.I went to the link, clicked the download link (PDF) and was asked to "log in" to facebook.

 

Just tried again and got same result.

Didn't th

Could / can someone download the PDF file forme?I am not on facebook and it won't let me download it.

Failing that Send me a private message and Ill email it to you

Its to large to post on here

yes, maybe so, but not accurate either..:)

Ok you win

Remove the word Elton John in the previous post and replace with

Angus Young, Jimi Hendrix, DimeBag Daryl or any other on this page

Around 30 years ago I say an entrance exam to be excepted into an Airline Academy

That I believe was in Cessnock NSW

Never excepted there offer (family morgage etc)

Does anyone know about this Academy

Elton john started formal piano lessons at age 7 and was selected for a scholarship to the royal academy of music at age 11. While he could and did play by ear, I can assure you he can read music.

And totally irrelevant

It was announced on the letterman show a few years ago Paul Shaffer's reply was you don't have read it to you write it???

I got excepted into a flying school but I cannot fly???

Anyway total irrelevant and not the point

Now that the dust has settled

Sorry didn't mean to stare WW3

Back to the question

Might sound like a silly question but think about itMy questioning is unrelated to aviation but similar

Why does one need to engage a pilot with instructor rating to teach one to fly to obtain a licence or certificate

 

Why can't one just get a local pilot with x amount of hours to instruct one

 

At the end of the day you do not need a professional driving instructor to teach you to drive a motor vehicle your parents or an experience driver can teach you

 

Thoughts please

I've been playing Guitar off and on for 40 years and worked In the Music industry (doing Production) for around 15 years

Thinking to my self I can teach done it before with success

The add went on to say MUST have past grade 6 music theory exams DAMN

I remember see an interview with Elton John who openly admitted he cannot read Music

I can assure you a good majority of professional musicians have no formal qualifications in Music just experience

So based on that Elton John couldn't or wouldn't get the above position (If it was for Piano) nor would a lot of experienced professional Musos

But little Johnny who has been locked in a room by himself studying and passing exams could

The other side of the coin and certainly the reason why I posted this originally is

I am an accredited Sports coach (the sport is irrelevant)

Get asked why the (and many other sports) are declining in numbers

My argument is all the armchair experts who think they know how to coach the sport are driving them away

Its of my option people need to be accredited to coach (teach) any sport

But they don't need the experience to be able to teach just the knowledge on how to

I was just curious as to what peoples thought where

Thanks