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Unfortunately not, apparently:

Yes, and sadly Williamsdale airport doesn't even exist - except as a bitter memory for those who laboured over the plan for years. Canberra must be the only city in Oz with no GA friendly facility.

No, Dick's Gundaroo strip is about 15nm north of Canberra. Williamsdale is about 20nm to the south.

It's a damn shame that the Williamsdale GA Airport for Canberra fell at the final hurdle. Home | Canberra's Second Airport WWW.CANBERRASECONDAIRPORT.COM

That's probably what the interior of Marine One looks like.

You take it correct, sir. I'm not that invested. It's far away. But as an occasional air traveller I don't like seeing airports close.

Well, notwithstanding the Bob Jellys of the world ... I'd have thought there'd be a pretty strong sentiment in an important town like Goulburn that it have a well functioning airport. So ,call me naive, but I'm comforted, for now, that YGLB will stay due "its SP2 zoning, designating it as a ‘special purpose’ zone aimed at safeguarding infrastructure and supporting related uses. This zoning underscores the airport’s pivotal role in regional transportation,”

Okay, but all I really wanted was some assurance that it'll remain an airport. And it seems it will. That's good.

Yeah, well I was wondering whether there were any zoning type restrictions that'd ensure it remains an airport. This article seems to suggest there are. Steven Westlake, principal at Ashby York, has described the airport as “a premier investment opportunity in the aviation sector” ... “Moreover, the property offers a unique opportunity for potential investors with its SP2 zoning, designating it as a ‘special purpose’ zone aimed at safeguarding infrastructure and supporting related uses. This zoning underscores the airport’s pivotal role in regional transportation,” the firm said. Goulburn Airport on the market after 13 years – Australian Aviation AUSTRALIANAVIATION.COM.AU The general aviation airport, which has been owned by Goulburn businessman John Ferrara since 2011, has been listed for sale through real estate firm Ashby York as Ferrara looks to divest from his property...

True, but they're not all that common.

Ian, have you heard if the Goulburn Council is in favour of - or insisting on - the land being retained as the town's airport by any new owner?

Fair enough, but if you're on mid-downwind, say, and your fear is about converging traffic on base (like the incident recounted by RFGuy a while back) then a more urgent exit might be called for: an early crosswind for an upwind rejoin, or a dive away or a climb?

I guess the first priority is to escape the danger; go away until things calm down or clarify. I suppose that'd be off on the dead side. There is always 'overhead' the circuit but if there's more than one up there, it might be more dangerous than the (limited) order imposed by the 1000' agl of the circuit itself, no?

I wonder if there's an agreed best-way to bug-out of a circuit if you suddenly sense you might collide with a nearby craft you've not got eyes on. Obviously, it depends on what you do know but I suppose neither climbing nor descending nor turning - nor changing speed - is any guarantee that you won't actually cause the crash you're fearing. Maybe breaking away in whatever direction you have best all-round sight of is the best one can do, no? (Until universal ADSB becomes a thing.) But even short of sensing imminent danger, what's the best way to gracefully bow out of a circuit when you become uncomfortable or situationally unaware? What to do and what to say?

AT THE ENQUIRY the law would SEEM the least of my problems. Like Jimmy Stewart in Flight of the Phoenix, I'd be overwhelmed with guilt.

On-airport fuel sources are plentiful, Mogas 95/98 sources not so much. The problem is easier to understand when it involves flyers keen to keep their 912s lead free. (Cue THAT debate. ;- )

Well, even at places like Armidale (YARM) and Taree (YTRE) where servos are just outside the airport fence, you could still have maybe 200 metres, or more, to lug your 40 L of fuel. So , yes, it seems some solution is needed. I've been nutting out a system for long trips which includes one - or two - 20L bladders plus one rigid 10L plastic can (which I think I just have room for). I'll use one of those small 6v transfer pumps (4XAA cells) to decant into the 10L can for pouring down the aircraft's filler throat (up on the turtle deck) via Mr. Funnel. I'll do it that way because I have an aversion to wrangling any 20L fuel container atop a ladder - especially a bladder which may well gush forth at the slightest slip. Anyway, 20L bladders are easier to handle, when full, than I'd imagined (down on the ground, that is); even sort of standing up by themselves. And I've found that if they're set down and lashed to the lift strut they're just as secure as rigid ones during transfer pumping The small battery powered pump routine is slower than just pouring but I find it a calmer, less accident prone method. And you might only have to use it once since a half empty 20 is but a 10 by default ;- ) Anyway, spurred by your scenario, Freizy, I've now gone for one of these Samsonites on Amazon. Wheels are a bit bigger and it looks a bit tougher than the other one.

Definitely not an illuminato but I've pondered the same scenario myself. How about one of these? Weighs in at 1.25Kg. https://www.amazon.com.au/Xcellent-Global-Lightweight-Aluminum-Capacity/dp/B097248Q3N/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.A9pUAxJNeOZ6Z6XUduAxjN9zEtjdb6xGeor4AGom5sF246AWjPwhu2MPaikh7ebfPePTSH3szYUgqfb86Md1H1oFfeZlemJyLhzK_ZJwsrmxC75k1nCSskY7JLWUc9-tN4KAe0B7JF_rCGULxwUzrOIcCNXnspcdwfVRdmR8HZlpEgNBRiS7lh5zfZxynPVQQtXbEWPUDrIFH47M-88WxjQR9TFVrPrR316Oej4YlrdOHkOXPjLEi2GxE_WkSrcQ69J9MP0urqOFt8z3TsNOIjxy_0JDCuyZ9_Ia3sari7k._5nKLRgVgtFZLEidcFN4S3H5CQB8sjKMlUViRg0TLUA&dib_tag=se&keywords=luggage+trolley&qid=1712838327&sr=8-5

Yeah, I guess Masters of the Air is state of the art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Ys1aI9a_Y

Re-reading that review of "Unsubstantial Air" (see above) I came across this bit about WWI American flyers in Europe: " ‘Being a pilot,’ he writes of them, ‘was something like being a college athlete, something like being a fraternity man at a house party that never ended, a bit like being a young tourist in an interesting foreign country with a few of your friends. Flying was fun – it was the only kind of war making that was.’ " That's interesting since the line "Flying used to be fun" is something the ageing pilot inThe Flight of the Phoenix says to his navigator early on in the film. I guess the original novel was set in the fifties so the captain's back story could well have included time as an American WWI flyer in France.

Aviation and Cinema were, after all, sibling children of the early 20th century; they grew up together. And one of the greatest early aviation classics was William Wellman's "Wings" (1927) The producers of Wings were super determined to have the flying sequences be as authentic as possible. Despite the danger and despite the cost. Another great story behind the story. (I believe I've raved on about Wings here before - no need to rave again ;- )

What do you do if you crash a twin engine transport (like a Fairchild C-82 Packet) in the desert and you can't be found? Well, as survivors, you gather your wits, your know-how and on-board tools and build yourself a single from bits of wreckage and take-off to safety. The producers did, in fact, construct just such a one-off Phoenix which was flyable. However, the real-world stunt pilot was not as lucky as our fictional heroes were. Flight of the Phoenix is intelligently directed by Robert Aldrich with a great cast including (real pilot) James Stewart, Dickie Attenborough and Peter Finch. Some of the interesting back-story: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965 film) - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Fairchild C-82 Packet - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG https://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/Mantz-P1.htm The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) - Trivia - IMDb WWW.IMDB.COM The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) - Trivia on IMDb: Cameos, Mistakes, Spoilers and more...

Lead?! Hopefully few 912's do. C02, maybe. (But if you're up there for the view, a high wing is quite efficient ;- )