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  1. turboplanner

    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    The police have done an excellent job at the interface and it’s not fair to blame them for the policies which involve thousands of people around Australia pulling detailed stastistics from actual crashes, others who use that to redesign cars, roads, materials, signage, barriers, others updating the environment to allow for cycles, others researching and introducing new weight and dimensional limits and so on. It’s a much bigger picture than most people think.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Skippy you said you didn’t want laws to protect people from their own stupidity. I gave you the two examples to show that people who are killed or injured did not necessarily do something stupid, and there are thousands of those people every year; they are the ones we need to protect.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Best you tell that to the local cop; but stand back a little.
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    Jacobson Flair

    Looks like you've got a flair for it.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    OK, you drive in City conditions; in country towns there's a different pace and a lower risk. In a few cases the people who have died have done stupid things, but many are totally innocent and driving correctly when hit - examples: A friend of mine was killed when the driver of an oncoming furniture van fell asleep and veered across the road into him. Another friend, a police officer who'd done the defensive/pursuit courses was hit on two occasions while driving through intersections in marked police cars. Both hits occurred behind the eye line, one rolled the car over IN the Melbourne CBD. That law has saved so many thousands of lives that you'll probably have to live with it. The decision is yours, which is why public liability lawsuits occur, but a percentage of the 16.5 million drivers have a problem managing the basics, the population wants the road toll down or else, so there's still prescription, which the taxpayers pay for. Yes, motivation in corporate management works much better than orders, and there is plenty of safety motivation out there, but it's the 16.5 million that ensures as stick is required as well as a carrot.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    A lot of good points in that Skippy; I take it you live in the country, or a small town? The biggest single Victorian drop ever occurred after Victoria legislated for seat belts.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    There were 16.5 million Australians with driver licences in 2016, and 19.2 registered motor vehicles in Australia as at January 2018. They produce some of the lowest fatality and serious injury rates we've seen in the last 40 years. How would you find and retrain the ones who are going to be killed in the next 12 months?
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    No, you have to wait for a break in the through traffic, so you're not holding it up.
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    Jacobson Flair

    I suspect your the one that will get from point A to point B way faster. He first has to start with a flare.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    I liked the WA regulations best of all because you could fit a bonneted 6x4 Prime Mover with a decent sized sleeper into a B Double. How about this one. There's a PBS trailer running around with a steerable axle in the middle ("middle" being halfway between the king pin and centre of Tri. I suspect a lot of this relates to the shift from on-road policing to camera fines and office-bound police loaded up with more and more paperwork.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Onetrack, a couple of little issues you would appreciate: the PBS six axle dog trailers are pushing the prime movers straight ahead on corners when the tandem rear of the truck tries to pull the triaxle around; the reason we dumped adjustable widespreads, and Double Road trains are running in metro Melbourne, claimed to be speed limited to 90, but I've followed one at 100. The convertible dolly does what all dollies do and gets up a sway which takes it over the white lane lines. What could possibly go wrong?
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Here are the 2018 stopping distances: Vehicle Consistent Result (Metres) Car 45-46 Rigid Truck, hydraulic brakes 65 Semi-Trailers with air brakes 75 B Doubles with air brakes 85 A percentage do what you said, but the vast majority allow a safe margin and their biggest gripe is that car drivers take advantage of the gap and dive into their lane. Mostly they don't hit. I was coming up to a set of lights one day in an Atkinson 6x4 bobtail and was almost at the lights when a mini darted in front of me and stopped. I threw on everything. The Atkinson is a cab over but the whole mini, in slow motion, slid out of sight under the windscreen. I'm not sure how we didn't touch, but he just drove off after the lights turned green. Base on the chart above, you can see there is a distance where a car which brakes hard, has no chance. I can understand that on country roads and in country towns, but in the cities the traffic flow has some overlap. You could still drive very slowly, and most of it would move forward around you, but that would involve you in more close shaves. I am at red alert driving a semi in city traffic, and nowhere near as smooth as the truckies who are in the flow groove. There are MANY motorists who think a big truck is going to swerve into them. I've convinced hundreds to just sit back and watch the semis tyres vs the wide line for a while, then relax knowing he's not going to be making any sudden moves. The latest figures indicate that in over 80% of multi-vehicle fatalities with trucks, the ruck driver was not responsible. Even the tipper drivers who are paid on volume and speed all the time, and aren't paid enough to properly maintain their vehicles are not a visible fatality group.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Probably every one of those drivers, if you had tested them the day before the accident would have passed your how to turn right and how to act when a vehicle turns right and my subconscious training of what to do when a car or truck is about to fill your screen. The causes for the three fatalities have probably all been determined, but I can think of (a) your thoughts (b) fatigue, (c) inattention including a quick phone call or text, (d) alcohol, (e) an impossible task for the semi to stop without hitting someone. We used to have a brake lever for the trailer only, so if you were starting to jackknife you pulled the trailer brake lever hard and the trailer wheels acted like a parachute and pulled the truck straight, but then someone in the queue could still have been killed. For OME's four basic areas, the people I work with from time to time have split each one into many sub groups, and often go the next step in saying, "OK, looking at the crashed vehicle in which the person was killed, how could we turn that into an injury only."
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    CASA too busy to check Essendon plans

    Depends whether they had prescribed an angle or distance etc, and it was demonstrably wrong. If the structures on the airfield were in accordance with CASA prescriptions they might have a problem. If the 99 year lessees built into the operational area it's more likely they would not and that the duty of care to comply would have rested on the lessee. I agree it's an odd statement for CASA to make if they didn't have a duty of care. I don't think any permits would be required, depending on the contract between the lessee and the Commonwealth of Australia, the owner of the land. I don't believe CASA would have any control unless it was written into that contract. However, the area shown below is withing the Moonee Valley Council Planning Scheme, and the whole of the triangular shaped airport environs are zoned CA (Commonwealth of Australia), and within that the area containing the large tanks is zoned PUZ1 (Public Use Zone 1). Moonee Valley Council have no jurisdiction in the CA Zone, and from my previous experience none in a PUZ, However, The Responsible Authority, Moonee Valley Council, for the Council Planning Scheme has made the public statement that if it was administering the CA, the Commercial buildings would not have been allowed. If they were to cause a crash its normal for all of the people who were involved in putting them there to be dragged in as defendants. Disclaimer: Since I'm not a lawyer there's no guarantee that any of this would be considered, and also many public statements relating to the condition and handling of the aircraft have been made. What we do know is that the families are now represented by lawyers so something is going ahead.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Here you're covering Behaviour, one of the cornerstones in Racing safety which transfers to road safety. The sudden pull to the right before a left hand turn comes from the horse and cart days with narrower roads and big turning circles; it was necessary, particularly with 4+ horse teams to use more on the roads to get around. My grandfather took out the rear of the truck shed several times by pulling back on the steering wheel and yelling "WHOA!!!" when he had a perfectly good brake pedal. Their driving habits were imprinted on their sons, even tough they had much tighter turning circles in cars and the roads were wider, and they've just about all died out but there's still a lingering DNA group that dart to the right. The optimum car park is 45 degrees nose in; I've never understood the logic of stopping the traffic to reverse in. There are millions of non-injury accidents per year so it hasn't been feasible for police to investigate them, but in the digital age there will be a camera with distance measuring, the cop will just walk the paths of the two vehicles and the software will identify the pattern of any skid mar, it's length, where the vehicles finished up, back calculate the speeds, put it into the database, and dodgy drivers will get a retraining course on how to turn a corner, and the database will identify that only a nut case would design rear entry street parking and the problems will disappear. The "Do Not Overtake Turning Vehicle signs" were designed for semi trailers only. I used to own a low loader and carted dozers. The entry on to the property was narrow so I had to start my turn out wide. Even with the left hand turn indicators flashing, people would take the opportunity to pass on the left. One day a guy left his run too late, and may prime over closed the gate to the footpath and he realised the low tray of the trailer was about to cut him in half; you've never seen anyone get into reverse! A few people painted the words on the rear of their trailers, the phrase struck a chord, someone started manufacturing the yellow signs, then people started plastering them on rigids and Land Cruiser trays, so the meaning was lost. In Victoria, in a multi-lane road you are not allowed to enter an adjoining lane unless it is free, so there's a potential conflict there. Certainly motorists need to be given some theory on how an articulated truck needs to turn, and the stopping distances.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    I do the same; the speedo module is driven from the gearbox, and the manufacturers build a tolerance in so there's no chance of them being dragged in to a Court case. Victoria has a 3 km/hr tolerance at all speeds. A lot of people set the cruise control for that limit, say 103, but if there's any surge or minor change due to grade the camera will trigger, so it pays to set the CC at the posted speed limit and you can forget about camera fines. I got one last week through my own fault, but prior to that, hadn't contributed any money to the State for about 10 years, when I used to spend about $1,000 per year. Motorists with out a GPS consistently drive at around 96 on Victorian highways. Heavy truck drivers with 100 speed limited trucks right up the east coast of Australia seem to set their chips for an actual 103 km/hr. The Newell is a very dangerous highway (or actually drivers drive very dangerously on the Newell). For a couple of hours you can have no traffic, then have to sit behind a convoy of B Doubles. On one trip, we passed a Falcon towing a mobile home (An Atco building on a tri axle) north of Tocumwal, and about an hour later a Nissan Patrol with camper trailer passed us. We were towing a caravan, all three of us were probably travelling at about 90, and we crossed paths a couple of times that day and the next morning as each one stopped for breaks. On the second afternoon we came across an "accident" sign and shortly after saw the mobile home facing down a steep hill, and a Mack Prime Mover with the front pushed in. As we drove past we saw the Falcon compressed into half its length, the occupants dead. Overhanging trees at the bottom of the steep valley had masked the approach of the Mack, the road was damp, the foot went for the brake, the car slid, and that was that. Shaken from that, we heard on the CB a bit later that a Nissan Patrol and trailer had rolled over north of Coonabarabran, and it was the one we had been passing/being passed. Aside from that there were not indications at all that the Newell was anything other than a big wide open road, but that gave me a lifetime lesson in adding a bit more concentration when I was highway driving, and especially with a caravan.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    With a bit of luck you might be able to drill down into what's online and see. Your personal belief isn't used to set the limits. There are roads which have been increased from 100 to 110 and then reveresed again as statistics climbed; it's not a rigid set in stone, but is the most watched by the voters so is the most political, and most people believe the speed kills BS. I also think the bar could be raised with basic training, advanced training and periodic tests. Your wasting your time talking to local police, a mate who races, a truck driver etc, not because you won't get professional information, but because you'll only get a minute cross-section, I was doing some work on Light Commercials and towing a few days ago, and there are over 2 MILLION out there registered; you have to try to collect the information from that cross section.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    I had a gudgeon jam the bore and seize the engine at 170 on a Vincent; I usually cruised at 160. The disparate speed issue applies even more with bikes because on the road you don't have protection. Bikes have been left behind in the road safety programme and the horrific fatality rate, has started some discussions on what to do in Victoria. Where riders are not doing crazy things like twice the speed limits or weaving in and out of traffic, they are a class where most accidents are caused by others. You are wanting to ride in a system used by millions of other people; someone has to set the basic rules. If they're not set correctly, they can be changed, but my guess is they're not going to let you ride a bike at 130 just because that's your preferred speed. I'm talking about symptoms as you say; moving on from there to actions is one of the most interesting parts about road safety, but if OME is concerned about thread drift, he'd blow a fuse at a 10,000 word proposed policy that can be put into law. We are just touching tiny edges here. The current driver training vs the current road toll indicates the training policy is about right. Road fatalities are not a shambles; they are still aiming for zero, and the annual toll is below the average of most activities. I was an advocate of driver training courses and defensive driving until I looked at how little that subject featured in fatal accidents, how many highly skilled drivers die.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Several States have no warnings for fixed or mobile, and Victoria is extending point to point cameras, and that's the best way to go. Once you know there's no point trying to locate cameras, you settle in to the new Millenial world, and you'll save money on fines. Fatigue and inattention are right up at the top. A student spends around 120 hours; way above rec flying. The majority of crashes are as you say, but we can reduce deaths by road design and separating trees from cars, and two way roads date back thousands of years to when people walked on tracks; they are not suitable for cars. You can be very skilled but fatigued, or picking up something from the floor, or punching a GPS, or be unlucky like Peter Brock was and be hit by a road defect. It's amazing how many drivers finish their driving careers in their 80's with very average driving skills. Attention is one of the big factors, and needs to be taught. I put a snap question to a lot of people, asking what they are seeing, and their focus point is often several hundred metres before mine, sometimes just a few metres ahead of the vehicle. When I give them an aiming point and explain that by looking there they can see incidents, and traffic bunching up, a whole new world opens up for them. Distraction with phones, texting, GPS, itunes etc. probably would have turned the fatal statistics into a J curve upwards if it hadn't been for cable barriers in Victoria. I also find I'm distracted just being involved in a hands free conversation if I have to concentrate. This is at the top of Victorian compliance and enforcement and they have just made a big purchase of high definition cameras specifically programmed for mobile phone use detection.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    About 70 - 80% do, and you could say that is about the correct speed for the road with the exception oh highway cruise where people would select "their" speed. Sometimes the father would influence the whole family. I can remember one telling his daughter she had to learn to drive at 130 km/hr. That created the situation Facthunter was talking about where you couldn't really predict what other traffic was going to do, and when we had laws where if you exceeded 100 km/hr you had to prove you were driving safely, some would stick on 100 and speed up to stop you passing, then slow down when you finally got past. What the road authorities do now is work to a set of benchmarks such as road width, corner radii, grade standards, crests etc. to set an optimum limit for safety. The speed cameras have achieved maybe a 95% conformity of traffic flow, and that makes traffic more predictable and that reduces misjudgement crashes. Above the open highway limits (100, 110 etc) there's still an urge by some to sit on higher speeds, but point to point cameras will make them conform over time. I used to drive in the region of 150 to 200 when I was doing about 70,000 km a year, but was always tired for days afterwards until I realised I was burning a hep of adrenaline due to the concentration required, so I slowed down somewhat, and speed tickets and point slowed me down some more to the point where I realised the closer I was coming to the mean 100 km/hr, the less cars and trucks I had to pass on the trip, and that has extended to punching the destination into the computer, and watching the time to destination virtually stay the same, even though I may have had to slow down for extended periods, so while being a slow learner, I'm a lot more strategic on highway driving now. However, the Highway speed limit is usually a political one, and most are too low. At the other end of the scale, when the proposals started for 50 km/hr speed limits instead of 60, it was political also, usually due to residents phoning police and asking for traffic to be slowed down in their street; the calibrated eyeball syndrome. At that time the US town limits were 48 km/hr, so I checked their fatality rate and it was 13 times ours! Sure enough, our 50 and 40 zones haven't worked and we are much closer to US figures in that bracket these days; and we have started to go to 30. The problem with this has been that we previously made our own judgements in the 60 zone, and the mean traffic speed on wet days may have been 40, and in busy shopping precincts may have been as low as 20, but nearly a generation have been trained to drive on speed limits, so the mean average has increased in those zones. In motor racing you drive at 10/10, and in 12 years I had about six crashed which would be fatals out on the road without the concrete safety fence/roll cage etc Peter Brock's final accident is a good example of what happens with 10/10 driving on public roads; one unexpected bump, the tyres unload and you can be facing a tree. I drive at about 6/10, but with a high level of concentration. To think 100 km/hr is either safe or boring is a big mistake. On one business trip, around 3 pm I was out on the Calder Highway north of Bendigo heading into the Mallee with wide open paddocks, plenty of visibility and only one car in sight in front of me. He was also cruising at 100, so I settled back a couple of hundred metres behind him and basked in the afternoon sun. Off to the right I saw a car approaching on a side road. We were about the reach an intersection at the same time, and he slowed down and stopped at the stop sign, allowing the car in front of me to continue. I was approaching and he had to give way to me also. I thought he was, but after sitting there for some time, he pulled out on to the highway a few metres in front of me. There was no chance for me to stop, so I made the decision to slam into the back of him square on. At that moment around him I saw a fuel taking coming towards us. If I bounced him into the tanker things were going to get serious. I used cadence braking and edged two wheels off the road. He hadn't bothered to accelerate so just before I was about to hit him I put the other two wheel on to the grass and finished up with fence up to the windscreen. Unless I had been alert, I never could have pulled that off and it could have involved the tanker. If it was a 12 ft sealed road with no embankments, ditches obstacles or trees each side maybe, but refer to the Peter Brock comment above. The Road Authorities work on a set of standards at two levels, worldwide and Australia wide. Victoria's wire barriers have had 3,000 strikes so far, and are saving lives to the extent that there is a huge expansion programme. I would expect we will see speed limits on wired road to go up from 100 to 110
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    They actually believe what they say, but the very substantial revenue goes into General Revenue and not into a roads fund which could speed up passive safety items like anti-collision barriers, intersection and road design improvements. so human nature being what it is, they like the money and satisfy themselves with the thought that it's a VOLUNTARY tax. They've pretty much managed to grind us all down to common speeds, but it hasn't produced a matching volume in fatality reductions.
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    Dalby crop duster destroyed

    The beginnings of it are already in cars with Level 1 Autonomy and infocentres. When you start the engine the infocentre is dormant until you push yes for acceptance of the terms and conditions...every time....for every trip; very easy to step to interlocks, facial recognition for drugs and fatigue and live reaction analysis. You'll hear the term "Connected Cars" more and more; General Motors have pushed back their release by two years for unspecified reasons, but connected cars will be streaming information live to the manufacturer, and presumably subscribers provided privacy issues can be sorted out.
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    Mostly the people who work in road safety ignore the public because of the thousands of people who keep saying they can fix the road toll by fitting governors to cars etc. However, the statistics are very detailed, and the discussions around the world go on every day. Speed is an easy political solution to show "effort". If you take a photo the result is back and white, the police don't have to argue with the driver or take him to court, and there's a trail of numbers to give to the press. Just like a few people on this site, many of the public don't think it can happen to them anyway so there's no political pressure to go any further
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    The over-eager neophyte crashes and burns.

    The reason for my comments was the blatant grab for three works in progress, electric, autonomous, non-ownership. This one fits in with the electric cars that have radiator grilles, and autonomous trucks that have driver cabs, and prime movers. Melbourne has a population of around 4.5 million. Maybe 10,000 ride bikes to work, but of they want to go to the snow they need a car. Maybe 2 million use public transport, and that requires you to get to where it will pick you up, and get off where it will stop. Maybe two thirds of those people need a car to get to the train station, and they all need a car to get to the snow. The sociology of it indicates that cars will be around for a long time, and with your own car you can leave, arrive, pick another destination, change your mind and finally drive home without restriction. With regard to electric and autonomy, both require break-throughs to happen to be economically feasible. There's nothing to say that those break-throughs won't be announced next week; we've been waiting for the battery break-through now year by year for about 40 years, so that's the time scale so far. I'm just saying let's keep our feet on the ground.
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