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This saga reminds me of when I applied to emigrate to Australia. Dragged on and on and no reason for delay was forthcoming. My wife was also fed up with the negative answers so she sent a telegram to the highest position possible, the Minister For Emigration. He was so surprised as no one had ever done it before. We emigrated 6 weeks later. I suggest you do the same. Go to the top. In this case I guess the Minister of Aviation!! It is his job to get you some answers. Even CASA won't like questions being asked in da house. Don't give in to the 'faceless/gutless' ones who run the show. As said before, we pay their wages. Make them earn it.
 

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av8fr, perhaps you mean "don't give up".
Because I've had a lot of time and know a lot of others still in aviation, and some who have given up and left, we can all learn by listening to their views. I don't know anyone who is happy with it. The system needs changimg to correct these problems. How many of you belong to AOPA, which is about the only organisation that has much voice for reason and change, out there. Believe me, it used to be better. Nev
 

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Snow you will need to change to 19- by getting a final inspection and all that goes with a new rego home built.
The Jab motor cert. is now out of RAA hands and I am told it is now a CASA matter, dont know where this will go , But I think Rod will have the paper work . I hope for all the 24 Jabs out there .
Just the lack of getting info from RAA and answers, The changes in medicals , for a lot of people the SAAA is looking very good,
 
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Wow!!!!!! just imagine that as a possible outcome, all 24 reg'd J's becoming 19 reg'd OMG snow x 1000......... training......all those aircraft on line.....Off line..... whole bunch of forced sales due no income servicing the debt!!!doesnt bear thinking about does it!!!!!! No matter how good the Australian economy is, this would generate a recession in the rec flying sector!!!! If it were to turn out that way suddenly instead of a small minority being impacted it would be a very large majority being impacted.........interetsing times hey!


Still, all speculation pressumably until action occurs.....

Andy (mines already 19 by choice.....No not choice, other than J chose to sell it as a kit rather than a completed aircraft.)
 

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Andy, Your Quote- LSA in Australia stemmed from USA experience where 26 of 30 LSA examples failed to meet the regulatory requirements of LSA in the USA, FAA pressumably in turn advised CASA who pressumably suddenly became much more interested than they might otherwise have been.__
I believe This started in Australia, and because of the Audit by Casa, and the former management of RAA now Casa management. Very little info about our former Tech manager resignation reasons but lots of speculation.
The worst part of this is they are destroying aircraft manufactures in Australia. Andy this is not about to happen it is happening.
Facthunter, Nev, it is not acceptable to set up a buisness as Morgan aeroworks, Foxcon, Lightwing. Fisher etc and invest time and money for a bunch of public servants that know more about nothing than most people to destroy all their efforts without any reasonable assistance. No one in their right mind will ever develop an aircraft in Australia again.
The USA may have a different approach and not want to destroy but improve.
 

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So what is going on here? Are the certified jab engines out there going to be de-certified? Are the 24 registered Jabs going to be grounded. Can Jabiru sell new aircraft if no-one else can with one of their engines? Hey this is pretty f*!#%$g serious. Can anyone get a definitive answer from anyone in CASA?
Who do I call? Lee Ungerman? Mick Pool? Mickey Mouse? I need to know who to sue.
 

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As is standard practice these days for organisations, CASA have a Vision Statement, Mission Statement and Values statement. Perhaps someone might like to remind some CASA people of these statements...especially this one:
  • We act at all times with fairness and integrity. We maintain the highest levels of professionalism and act with high ethical standards and without bias.
    We make balanced judgements which are risk based and evidence driven. We act innovatively and with flexibility to meet our responsibilities.
 

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Anyone else notice the grammatical errors in that CASA document? Cringe-worthy much..... some txtr kid might have put it together.

The worst part of this is they are destroying aircraft manufactures in Australia. Andy this is not about to happen it is happening.
Being in (non-avaiation) manufacturing I can assure you they absolutely don't give a toss about local manufacturing and haven't for quite some time now. Just received a notice of 27.5% increase in electricity prices today, this state now has the most expensive power in the world apparently. There are a whole raft of such reverse tariffs; that is penalties local manufacturers have to pay that overseas based suppliers do not. And in this case it seems CASA will follow the theme - tougher on local aircraft than imported.
 
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Only 27.5%, mine (DoDo Elec and Gas) have increased my Time of Use rates from between 45% and 47.5%, but in order to reduce the pain have increased the on time payment discount from 10% to 15%. so when all that is played out the actual $ increase I pay is approx 38%. So carbon tax aside what exactly has changed in the electricity business to justify a 35% premium above CPI, where over the last 8 years the increase above CPI is probably around 100% to 150% above CPI???

Andy
 

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For those of you who are perhaps not aware, the carbon tax has had no impact on cost increases so far.

There are two fundamental reasons why our electricity charges have risen.

The first being the state government's absurd reliability standards for the provision of electricity. These were introduced by the former Labour government as a policy based solely on politics, not common sense. By demanding the highest safety and reliability standards from power generators, massive capital investment was required to ensure the transmission network was 'gold plated', to reduce blackouts during peak power loads by about one hour. The result has been no noticeable difference by consumers apart from massive hikes in their bills

The second reason being the governments' equally absurd green energy schemes. IPART (Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal) has singled out the Renewable Energy Target as having a major price impact. Under the Solar Credits multiplier part of this scheme, which very few people understand, energy retailers are forced to buy two clean energy certificates for every kilowatt hour of energy produced. The cost of buying these credits is passed on to the consumer. Put simply customers pay a premium to have 33% of electricity sourced from renewable technologies when the proportion of electricity actually being generated by renewable technologies is only 10%.

Does any of this make sense ... NO ... but we are being forced to pay for it.

Then there is the O'Farrell government's climate change levy. What can we say about an ill defined and vague tax to pay for its bungled solar credit scheme, which effectively forces poor people to pay the cost of putting solar panels on more wealthy people's homes.

IPART recommends the scrapping of all these schemes and to recalibrate the reliability standards to reflect reality and save an estimated 1.1 Billion in capital expenditure.

Complex ... but is that not what governments are good at? Too difficult for the average Joe to understand unless he is told what is really happening.
 

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As is standard practice these days for organisations, CASA have a Vision Statement, Mission Statement and Values statement. Perhaps someone might like to remind some CASA people of these statements...especially this one:
  • We act at all times with fairness and integrity. We maintain the highest levels of professionalism and act with high ethical standards and without bias.
    We make balanced judgements which are risk based and evidence driven. We act innovatively and with flexibility to meet our responsibilities.
Well if any company Chiefs left and went to a competitors company and then set about destroying or hindering it't progress, causing loss of jobs and causing that company to start infighting then here we are. Can't see any of the above in CASA statement in fact total opposite. Can you please be that someone Powerin to remind CASA.
When all Australian manufactures are gone then the Aussie dollar falls and it's two US for one, then you will have to buy imported and this will be expensive. Stick up for what you believe in and make yourself heard and stamp your feet and save our Aussie Aviation industry. Morgan Aeroworks is an innovator of new designs and been having a go, the CASA are not having a go at all, just negative and political correctness, same old "it's not safe till the paperworks done", we are recreational flying not airline pilots, it is meant to be simple and so is LSA it's meant to be simple to free up the paper trail but a few have decided there is not enough paper.
 

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This saga reminds me of when I applied to emigrate to Australia. Dragged on and on and no reason for delay was forthcoming. My wife was also fed up with the negative answers so she sent a telegram to the highest position possible, the Minister For Emigration. He was so surprised as no one had ever done it before. We emigrated 6 weeks later. I suggest you do the same. Go to the top. In this case I guess the Minister of Aviation!! It is his job to get you some answers. Even CASA won't like questions being asked in da house. Don't give in to the 'faceless/gutless' ones who run the show. As said before, we pay their wages. Make them earn it.
We have a small impediment to success with that action in the form of Minister Albanese.
That would normally be taken care of by Her Majesty's Shadow Minister Warren Truss

However when you look at Truss's record in the long years before his Government lost office, and when you hear him speak, you'd swear Albanese was copying his actions.

So it's a Catch 22 until someone breaks the nexus and the appalling aviation governance situation is cleaned up.
 

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Well if any company Chiefs left and went to a competitors company and then set about destroying or hindering it't progress, causing loss of jobs and causing that company to start infighting then here we are. Can't see any of the above in CASA statement in fact total opposite. Can you please be that someone Powerin to remind CASA.
When all Australian manufactures are gone then the Aussie dollar falls and it's two US for one, then you will have to buy imported and this will be expensive. Stick up for what you believe in and make yourself heard and stamp your feet and save our Aussie Aviation industry. Morgan Aeroworks is an innovator of new designs and been having a go, the CASA are not having a go at all, just negative and political correctness, same old "it's not safe till the paperworks done", we are recreational flying not airline pilots, it is meant to be simple and so is LSA it's meant to be simple to free up the paper trail but a few have decided there is not enough paper.
I'm not sure a lowly farmer would get much of a hearing in the hallowed halls of CASA :outback:

As DJP et al have already pointed out, CASA is purely a safety authority and there is nothing in their charter which says they need to nurture aviation....just make it safe. The FAA in the USA was set up differently....but if you look at the FAA's mission statements they only mention safety too.

The reason I mentioned it is that the fairness and integrity, professionalism, ethics and lack of bias mentioned in the CASA values statement seem to be conspicuously absent in this case.
 

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As a Farmer you are the most important man as you put food on our tables and you need Australian built planes in the bush so you can get parts and service quickly. I am sick of banging my head against the wall watching a bunch of public servants trying to make themselves important and not caring about who they shaft along the way.
It seems a constant battle fighting to save Airline services, saving Airports, saving our Aircraft manufacturers and saving our right to fly. So it always seems to be CASA that wants to stop everything. The Airlines if allowed to operate to suit demands and instead of flying big empty Jets they could survive and regional airports, farmers, tourists, buisnessmen would be happy in regional centres. The government departments such as CASA have to smarten up not get smart and try destroy everything in their sight. Without aviation CASA won't have a Job so it would seem they should help not hinder in my opinion.
About 15 years ago things were such that people moved to regional places from the Cities as the internet allowed them to trade etc and then the regional Airlines stopped at some of these places. Also A bunch of would be experts in the early 2000's started the National Airspace Reform and ended up trying to put it back how it was, as it was a mess, and in fairness it was a Lib/Nat government and the Boss of Aviation resigned ( Mr Anderson ). Our current Mr Albanese is not any better that is for sure as Turbo point out as well.
Safety can't be measured as good by stopping everything. LSA is the target now and they have probably proved themselves as safe but not enough paperwork.
In the years I have spoken to very helpful people at CASA but it always seems that someone higher up is the problem.
 

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I believe This started in Australia, and because of the Audit by Casa, and the former management of RAA now Casa management.
The FAA report was published in mid 2010 but the assessments of the American LSA importers & manufacturers were done in late 2008 / early 2009. IIRC Messrs Poole & Ungermann were still at RAAus during this period and it was certainly well before the recent & very high profile accident involving an LSA aircraft in Australia.

The USA may have a different approach and not want to destroy but improve.
The EASA version of LSA has already moved away from the ASTM method of self-approval to more rigorous oversight of manufacturers. It seems very likely that FAA will also be changing the rules though possibly to a different degree. Increased certification costs will inevitably result in many smaller manufacturers (not just Australian) being unable to demonstrate compliance.

John
 

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IMO...

A quick squiz at the Ra-Aus Constitution and Ops Manual gave me the impression that Ra-Aus is in the deep end completely over it's head... I don't see the National system of Clubs that these documents seem to hint at .... or any other effective means of organizing the supervision and oversight of Recreational Aircraft Operations in a commercial environment...

I think this is what Casa has it's eyes on... Maintenance is probably the biggest factor to be affected... and this will have a washover effect on manufacturing as well as flying schools....

Again.. this is my opinion and my feeling regarding the direction Ra-Aus unfortunately has been led... hopefully they will leave the Ultralight end (the stuff Ra-Aus was/is set up to manage) alone...
 

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IMO...

A quick squiz at the Ra-Aus Constitution and Ops Manual gave me the impression that Ra-Aus is in the deep end completely over it's head... I don't see the National system of Clubs that these documents seem to hint at .... or any other effective means of organizing the supervision and oversight of Recreational Aircraft Operations in a commercial environment...

I think this is what Casa has it's eyes on... Maintenance is probably the biggest factor to be affected... and this will have a washover effect on manufacturing as well as flying schools....

Again.. this is my opinion and my feeling regarding the direction Ra-Aus unfortunately has been led... hopefully they will leave the Ultralight end (the stuff Ra-Aus was/is set up to manage) alone...
This was pretty much what I meant by CASA needing to do a "ground up" rebuild of RA-Aus structure, including "rewriting the rules" of operation.