turboplanner Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/pilot-survives-crash-on-lake-hume-20120102-1pi2f.html Aerobatics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Herald Sun version http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/light-plane-crashes-in-the-states-north-pilot-has-lucky-escape/story-fn7x8me2-1226234962848 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-02/ultra-light-plane-crashes-into-lake/3755436 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Looks like a Sapphire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodo Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 A Sapphire from Holbrook - I hope it wasn't pinched from the post by the highway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pookemon Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Interesting to see the differences between the different news agencies. According to The Age he was seen doing loops before crashing and swam to shore... The Herald Sun has him "emerging unharmed" and the ABC has him being dragged from the plane by holiday makers. Given that the last actually has a photo of the aircraft, and the extent of the damage, I think I'll go with the ABC's version of events... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J170 Owner Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Back in the seventies I knocked about with a well known Adelaide journo. He told me that they can only publish what people tell them and that one never ruins a good story with the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campslive Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 according to a mate who used his boat to pull the sapphire in,he was approx 2ft off the water doing steep turns than flying low again first turn looked great then he circled another boat and the right wing tip entered the water,and in she went he was floating in the water when they got too him beside his boat, few other friends called saying he was doing loops over bowna area heading to ebden where he went in ?i was not there but mate sent some photos he took its a write off broke the boom just behind the pilot seat, i was not there just written what i have been told! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pookemon Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well it certainly looks like one wing tip hit harder than the other based on the condition of the starboard vs port wings in the ABC photo. RAA registered so "Loops" will be a feature of the ATSB's questions I would think... That and "how are you supposed to glide to land from 2ft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 J170 0wner, that journo wouldn't have been Bernie keenan would it ?............................................Maj... We had a guy do the same thing up here in the North a few years ago, with a passenger in back of his Drifter.He didn't hang around to answer questions and hasn't been seen since ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J170 Owner Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 J170 0wner, that journo wouldn't have been Bernie keenan would it ?............................................Maj...We had a guy do the same thing up here in the North a few years ago, with a passenger in back of his Drifter.He didn't hang around to answer questions and hasn't been seen since ! Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidh10 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It would be quite a feat to get in to Lake Hume while the Class D airspace was open, given that the water level is about 590' AMSL, a large part of the lake is Class D down to the SFC and most of the rest of the lake has Class D down to 2,000'. Then of course there's the surrounding hills, some of which protrude into that 2,000' level. Standard tower hours (UTC) are: TWR HR 2015-1030 MON-FRI ; 2300-0700 SAT, 2300-1030 SUN. 1HR EARLIER HDS It is certainly a beautiful area. I flew over part of the lake on New Year's Day, before the airspace opened. I think that with airspace open, to get to the accessible parts of the lake, you'd need to be very comfortable flying at 500' AGL and winding your way around the wooded valleys between the hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Oh dear, With that kind of witness account it paints RAA in bad light again. If the posted witness account is accurate, what he was doing amounts to foolish flying that close to the water. Most of us know the Sapphire is a nice maneuverable aircraft, but the risks at the level awl reported are high indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Evan. Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 ....And it happened just after Sport Pilot did a little feature on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Here is a report on the glider going down out of Benalla but with the Lake Hume crash aircraft pictured... http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/pilot-80-hailed-a-hero-after-narrow-miss/2408453.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 So what, if any, sort of punishment will the pilot get from the RAA for this sort of flying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pookemon Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Section 2.14 of the Operations manual clearly states that the pilot may lose their certificate - at the very least it may be suspended or "altered". That alone is possible for the contravention of CAO 95.10 - 6.1 (b) subject to paragraph 6.3, the aeroplane must not be operated above a body of water at a horizontal distance from a suitable landing area of more than:(i) the distance that the aeroplane can glide in the case of engine failure; or (ii) if in accordance with paragraph 6.2 — 25 nautical miles; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 It would be quite a feat to get in to Lake Hume while the Class D airspace was open, given that the water level is about 590' AMSL, a large part of the lake is Class D down to the SFC and most of the rest of the lake has Class D down to 2,000'. .... Jim Williams takes off from Albury where he is based then lands his Bird Dog on floats on the Lake and goes fishing... I believe this stirs the TWR up no end! kaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Then he should give them more fish. Would that be considered as doing some thing "fishy" Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well it certainly looks like one wing tip hit harder than the other based on the condition of the starboard vs port wings in the ABC photo. RAA registered so "Loops" will be a feature of the ATSB's questions I would think...That and "how are you supposed to glide to land from 2ft? I wonder IF there will be public / government pressure to have the ATSB look at this one?? Probably not. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 I wonder IF there will be public / government pressure to have the ATSB look at this one??Probably not. Cheers Well if I was in one of the boats and some lunatic decided to turn round me 2' above the deck I'd be making sure someone stopped him, particulary if I had family on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 So what, if any, sort of punishment will the pilot get from the RAA for this sort of flying? Hi FT, I would reckon if the witness reports are verified as reported here, he will be suspended, and again I don't know if RA Aus has the power to apply punitive damages (fine him/her) in addition to suspension. I know pilots up here have been suspended for low flying that did not result in an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 RAA isnt big on "Name and Shame" which is not to say that they and CASA dont penalise. However I think at this stage to be talking penalties is the cart before we've even seen the horse.....Let the process work through........ <all the while shaking my head in disbelief!!!> Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pookemon Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Not to mention that it is illegal to fly with in 100m of a person not associated with the aircraft operations according to the CAO's I believe... Except when taking off or landing, an aeroplane to which this Order applies that is flown at a height lower than 500 feet above ground level must be at a distance of at least 100 metres horizontally from:(a) a public road; or (b) a person, other than a person associated with the operation of the aeroplane; or © a dwelling, except with the permission of the occupier. Now that's interesting - "500 feet above ground level"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Now that's interesting - "500 feet above ground level"... What is interesting about that pookemon? You can legally fly below 500' with the landowner's permission if GA and if RAA you additionally need a Low Level endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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