Guest Maj Millard Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Anyone know what is considered the 'standard' pilot or passenger weight these days ?...................I believe it was recently amended upwards. this is the weight generally used for flightplan usage...thanks in anticipation.................................................Maj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbleboy Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Maj...when I did my ATPL it was 77kg if I recall correctly. I wouldnt use that as a guide for our size aircraft though...lol! It may have gone up now. Scotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 90 kg is a better average today; the correct weight for flight planning is the actual weight of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastmeg2 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Office building I work in is only 5 years old and the elevators say maximum is 20 people / 1,360kg. That's just 68kg per person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 When you use standard weight you assume some will weigh more and some less. If 200 Sumo wrestlers go together to a convention on an a/c, that could cause a dangerous situation. Especially if they all got up at once to go to the toilet at the back of the plane. Even large airliners are quite sensitive to trim changes. One airline pilot told me when it was quiet back in the cabin he knew exactly when a one stewardess was walking up to the cockpit- the automatic trim adjuster slowly adjusted for the change in weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossie Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 The CASA site is quite informative sometimes..... http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/download/caaps/ops/235_1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Given that 15 kg of tools nearly too out one of our members this year, Clause 11 would be a good one to use for a 2 seater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 If I worked on 77kg for two people in a two seat aircraft, I can take a 95kg passenger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compulsion Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I weigh 115kg and I thought I was very heavy for a jab 160. Luckily my wife only weighs 59kg. I heard yesterday of a student weighing 133kg learning in a LSA55. And yes guys I am doing something about the weight. I haven't had a drink (alcohol) in 5 weeks. Hence the shaky writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Thanks for all your imputs. That's what makes this site so great !....So if we go by the recommndations of the CASA information as offered in post #6, it looks like ; average male=86 Kg, average female=71 Kg...as a guideline only. So I'm 69 kgs wringing wet, which means the missus can go to 88 kgs....!!!! Holy shxx !! watch out ...........................................Maj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 If I worked on 77kg for two people in a two seat aircraft, I can take a 95kg passenger But of course you wouldn't do that Tomo... the 77kg is simply not appropriate in smaller aircraft as I'm sure you know. It is too easy to overload and end up with a CoG problem of diabolical proportions. The Auster has a very good load carrying capacity and I can squeeze two really big people in the front plus full fuel without issues. The back seat is more limited of course but I don't insure for them and only ever go two up max. It means I can carry quite a bit of gear with me when I go away as some of you have probably noted kaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdarby Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Something else to consider is the seat loading allowed by the manufacturer. Some seats are only built to withstand a certain weight. I once had a 130kg passenger, and since I am a lot lighter we were well within the MTOW for the overall aircraft. But on checking the manual, the seat was not designed to handle anyone over a lower weight. So you may take off but break something, or find in an accident it comes loose. Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank marriott Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I think clause 11 says it all "Standard weights should not be used in aircraft with less than seven seats" With a MTOW of 600kg in RA-AUS registered aircraft anything other then actual weight (including fuel) would be ill advised and that is before considering COG. FrankM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Standard weights are a convenience thing for doing the load sheet easily. I wouldn't think they applied to smaller aircraft . You cannot use them if you reasonably expect that your passenger weights average out at a significantly different figure. I know of one airline aircraft that had a problem and selected the lighter pax and weighed them. This is obviously illegal and deliberately fudging the books. ACTUAL weights are the ONLY way to get it right. Weight is one thing and balance is another. If you get ramp checked you had better be on top of this. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 If 77kg is used on airlines then they shoud give me 17kg extra on top of the standard weight for baggage instead of charging me extra for the couple of kgs i was over once. GRRRR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I absolutely agree ozzzie. They would probably bring a discrimination case up on fat people, but you are actually subsidising them. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 My baggage weight is only around 10-12 kg per fortnight (allowance is 23kg).But I weigh about 98KG.I am short changing them . Ps- We are going to charter now.As per today.( I have a FIFO job flying Brissy to Roma every fortnight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Back in the eighties I flew out of Hong Kong and noticed a passenger with a large suitcase strapped into the seat next to him, he told me that the extra seat ticket cost less than what the excess baggage would have been. Not sure if that can be done today on any airline. Alan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne T Mathews Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 If I worked on 77kg for two people in a two seat aircraft, I can take a 95kg passenger Bloody bragart... You might think it's good exercise running around in the shower to get wet, but think about the water you're wasting... Shame on you. One day you'll have to think about being more eco responsable, which is what us big boys are doing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poteroo Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 No question that people are becoming larger and larger. In the past 3 years, I've had 4 prospective students,(2 male/2female), who weighed between 90 and 135kgs. It wasn't so much their weight, as their inability to be able to slide into the J-160,(2 couldn't do it), and seat themselves comfortably, (2 made it inside but couldn't operate the controls adequately). It seems that it's becoming less a question of weight per se, as it is one of whether the body is capable of accessing the seat and controls. happy days, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 noticed a passenger with a large suitcase strapped into the seat next to him, he told me that the extra seat ticket cost less than what the excess baggage would have been. Yes you can purchase an extra seat. The 2nd seat costs less as the taxes are not applied and on QF at least you earn FF points and SC's for the extra seat also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman1238 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Anyone know what is considered the 'standard' pilot or passenger weight these days ?...................I believe it was recently amended upwards. this is the weight generally used for flightplan usage...thanks in anticipation.................................................Maj... Check the casa web site, I think it is 92kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "Standard weights" are fine where you are designing a product for the "95th percentile of the population" or doing preflight far an aircraft with a large number of passengers, but should be realistic for preflighting a small recreational aircraft, particularly a two seater. If two guys weight 130 kg each got out of balance in a Jab in a full fuel take off, there would be no excuse for the pilot, particularly if he produced a cop of his flight plan showing 92 kg each. Remember, just a few months ago the Sierra which got out of balance with just 15 kg of tools - weight and balance is simple, unforgiving, mathematics. The truck industry was using 80 kg, but that's grown to 90 kg, and there are arguments for 100 kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 So do guys who aree 120kg + have issues with aircraft flying left wing down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Let's see you do a calculation Shafs, or give me the seat centre dimension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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