Garry Morgan Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hi David, A glider with a retractable fold away motor , as the 18m single seat will need a GFA rego and membership Form two inspections. As for the touring motor glider which has a fixed motor up front as a normal powered aircraft can be registered RAA SAAA GFA or CASA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 After much thought on the wing skin finishing and the work needed, also the ageing shrinkage problems, and to get the constant strength in carbon fibre ( for the home builder) and the( buckling )cost which isn't to bad. A spar made of S glass, making foam ribs, just bolt a timber pattern each end and sand to shape. Make a leading edge, it is easy to bond a metal skin over it. This would save many months of sanding, which will shrink in a few months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 I have just spent two weeks in Omarama new Zealand one of the best wave sites in the world, and a wide range of gliders to measure up. ash 25 self launch ( which i got a 4 hr ride in)to an asg 29 one of the latest designs from which i got some good info from.( some people not happy about me getting the info from it ?) If you read the latest kit planes mag. about the HP24 glider you will start to realise that it is not all rocket science people talk about. There are just a few factors that need to right and you will have a realy good performing sailplane. I also looked at another fuse plug in the hangar a guy way going to build a 15m glider and stopped work on it when he relised that 15m class is going out and 18m is the new glider. the open class is coming down and the 15m class is coming up.So my home work was right . I have a 4 peice wing easy to build. the carbon spar is now gone and S glass at 87,000 psi is now the go. At Omarama I also learned about using convergent lift which a 4 hr flight using only this and getting to 11,000' in the alps , mountain flying is a lot different from flying high above the ground in aussie. one day guys where getting 24,000'in wave but couldn't get clearance in Queenstown airspace where it was going 40,000 + .I also got some trout fishing in and lot count of how many i caugh, but Trevor and Jenny will have trout for Christmas dinner. I believe my design shape now is now almost there and still working on the motor set up to get the motor up and going quicker as many take a minute to just get it up. control set up in the cockpit is also an area to be worked on. The touring motor glider only has the fuse to be painted, which i hope to get use of the paint booth on tuesday. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Good on youGarry, How come ya didn't bring any Trout back to Taree, we could have had a Trout barbe ... Nothing quite like fresh wild Trout. LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofastclint Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I love the Fournier RF-4 and would love to see a someone do something new along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Cheyenne is all but finished, GFA is about to come and do the final inspection manuals are complete, ( RAA paper work is easy ) It has been designed to be a glider unlike many touring motor gliders are an ext ion of a power aircraft. I have the motor for the single seat 18m to finish off the fuse design, the foam core material will be in Aust in a couple of months. S glass is now the final decision for spar material, I believe this will be the first glass plan kit performance sail plane for maybe 30 years, and the bonus self launch is a big plus. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 S glass is now the final decision for spar material, Look into basalt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 Basalt well not enough info and a new material, carbon fibre i found to be a can of worms form info and testing and to what is really being used in practice, S glass is a more stable material for me. Testing twill glass at present is having good results and finish. The Cheyenne is having an inspection on the 28th by the GFA and will report back to CASA etc. ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 GFA has been for an inspection for the day and went over the Cheyenne they where really good and constructive, we just have some small things to change ( colour code two switches, re colour knob, etc. they will be back in about a month or two to spend 3 days to go over some paper work, a bit more involved than RAA, but they have always been better at doing things than groups, and we learn all the time. It was good dealing with constructive people ,unlike others that have come and just commend everything we had done, even when they say we have met the standard but demand another 200 pages to a hand book. Thanks GFA. I was a bit surprised to fing S glass is 66% weaker in compression, but now looking into to amount of lead in the wing tips outer pannels of gliders. Our foam had now arrived from over seas, and the motor a Hirth F33 is here to do the final design to fitting it to the fuse. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 The Cheyenne is still on the ground Just a RAD 47 100.5 to go and the cert for test flying will be done. The new 18m self launch is coming along the wing spars have the web fitted and ready for the joins. The tail is now being closed up . 2.43kg of lead fitted for the mass balance. Mold plug for the fuse is being made for the front of the half ,and testing of the rear tail cone is not far away. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yipee! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Friday was within 3 hours to having my c of a application for the Cheyenne cancelled ,that's after a year of doing the paper work trying to please some people that i wish they would go back to the planet they came from. after some dummy spits it is all done for test flying phase one. The new single seater has the spars and webs in place ,also the fuse plug is almost ready for glassing. the tail boom test piece is nearly ready for the torsional test ,A better way for the fuse plug is to plank it up is foam ,sand to shape it and glass over it inside and out . I have spent 2 weeks filling and sanding. The tail is made with my new 5 mm foam sandwich . it is extremely stiff. I left the outer surface un glassed for a couple of weeks ,and got a slight concave between the ribs, this was sander out very easy and glassed, very little filler was needed over the glass skin, which will help with shrinkage over time. Balancing the elev. to 100% took 3.4 kg of lead to make a total of 10kg for the tail. not much one can do about that . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 needs pictures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Friday was within 3 hours to having my c of a application for the Cheyenne cancelled ,that's after a year of doing the paper work trying to please some people that i wish they would go back to the planet they came from. after some dummy spits it is all done for test flying phase one.The new single seater has the spars and webs in place ,also the fuse plug is almost ready for glassing. the tail boom test piece is nearly ready for the torsional test ,A better way for the fuse plug is to plank it up is foam ,sand to shape it and glass over it inside and out . I have spent 2 weeks filling and sanding. The tail is made with my new 5 mm foam sandwich . it is extremely stiff. I left the outer surface un glassed for a couple of weeks ,and got a slight concave between the ribs, this was sander out very easy and glassed, very little filler was needed over the glass skin, which will help with shrinkage over time. Balancing the elev. to 100% took 3.4 kg of lead to make a total of 10kg for the tail. not much one can do about that . Well done and enjoy the flights. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 I just received an Email from RAA the approval for modification made to you home built. When you have a set of plans or a kit that is proven and tested, dont change it .The problems when a builder makes changes is that they don't see the hole picture. I get many phone calls from people who have have made changes to there aircraft and wonder why it doesent fly right. And some that tell me they cant get the right control movement, when they have reversed the controls . and this is by a very experienced person, and many others that they think a simple change they will make the aircraft harder to fly. I see this as the BEST thing that has happened to RAA in a long time. to many people stuff up a good aircraft by there own doing. The more experience they have the more they stuff it up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Gary, who is giving you legal advice? The EAB stuff you sell still allows the builder to make changes, what this stops is the second and subsequent owners making changes. Its unclear whether or not converting back to stock would be considered a modification. I am assuming it in some cases will be as the removal of original deviations would constitute a modification. You need to be making and selling ELSA kits, these do not allow any deviation from the factory design and the builder has to buy every component from you, thus ensuring the integrity of the design. ELSA allows owners to make changes once the aircraft is registered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 I have received a notice from RAA MARAP amendment to 95.55 on the 24 feb. This doesn't say you can not make changes it means some one will look at it to see if you are making a death trap. Best news ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Gary you need to get into this ELSA business its right up your alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morgan Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 No manufacture in Australia will get it passed , if don't hold you own ticket for approval, Howard H did for many years, and now even he cant, and he has more exp. than anybody else at doing it. There is no hope in Australian any more, CASA has done a good job of killing aviation in this country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 CASA has done a good job of killing aviation in this country. It's not CASA specific, it's the way the tide turned ever since the day Hawke announced the "Clever Country" policies. Everyone now has a piece of paper to be a qualified expert at something and the procedures that necessarily get written up that go hand in hand with it. Everything has been stupidly difficult ever since. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 So by following great government policies, legislation, regulations and practices we end up learning more and more about less and less and eventually know absolutely everything about nothing. That'll fix it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Without being in that ELSA business though Gary, I can't see where your future direction of your business. ELSA fixes so many issues with experimental aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham brown Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Hi Garry asked me to post some pictures of his new fibreglass motor gliding he is building (the Shawnee). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham brown Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Also posting the pictures of Garry's Cheyenne touring motor glider. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham brown Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I left some out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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