Drivers Licence Medical

[davebutler]

Anybody test driven this option?

 

Got mine on Monday, fairly painless. Took 5 days to get approved. I was expecting a shorter time but now I know.

 

Anybody else got 1, been for 1??

 

 

[dazza 38]

where did you go Dave to get it ?

 

 

[dodo]

Anybody test driven this option?Got mine on Monday, fairly painless. Took 5 days to get approved. I was expecting a shorter time but now I know.

Anybody else got 1, been for 1??

It it really drivers license equivalent? Or drivers licence extra thorough plus a bit? Is it just a doctor signing off you are OK to drive, or are ther specific requirements and the mention of aviation?

dodo

 

 

[facthunter]

To call it a "drivers licence medical" is totally misleading. If you do FAIL the RPL medical, your only option is to do the class2 or 1. CASA state this in the document. It is a tick without reservation or FAIL document. A Lying person with no medical history declared could sail through as long as they met quite basic standards. If you have had any condition investigated and it is on record forget it even if there is no record of actual medical problems shown too exist. the responsible thing in aviation is to have anything checked you might be concerned about. IF you want to use the RPL don't check anything and you will go through that RPL check easier. I have been working on this for years and the outcome is disappointing. Doesn't serve the intended purpose. Note I have NO condition threatening my right to drive a motor vehicle, so driver's licence medical it is not.. Nev

 

 

[av8vfr]

My only concern is that if someone does the test and fails... does that mean they can't legally drive anymore being a drivers medical??... Most people rely(sp?) on driving for an income. Double whammy, no fly and no drive?

 

 

[facthunter]

No connection. It's not a drivers licence medical. Why do people keep calling it that. The current one for the RAAus certificate is linked to it, so IF you don't qualify to drive a car automatically you don't get to fly an U/L. You do have processes to work through with the car licence and you know where you stand. The medical is "Private car" Not anything above it. If you have an operation on your heart etc you have a mandated period of not being able to drive., under the relevant legislation. nev

 

 

[M61A1]

My only concern is that if someone does the test and fails... does that mean they can't legally drive anymore being a drivers medical??... Most people rely(sp?) on driving for an income. Double whammy, no fly and no drive?

I don't see how this sort of outcome could be bad, I understand that however devastating for the person involved, but if such conditions exist, you really shouldn't be on the road especially .

[av8vfr]

OK, my post was brief for the sake of forums.

 

Sssooo...say if there is "some concern" which prevents the issue of the medical for flying to take place until further tests are carried out... does that stop the person tested from driving as well until the said tests are carried out and passed? This is for the upcoming RPL out of interest..

 

 

[M61A1]

OK, my post was brief for the sake of forums.Sssooo...say if there is "some concern" which prevents the issue of the medical for flying to take place until further tests are carried out... does that stop the person tested from driving as well until the said tests are carried out and passed? This is for the upcoming RPL out of interest..

Having had my wife medically dis allowed to drive, I am fairly certain that if a medical practitioner carries out an examination, and finds out that you have a condition that makes it unsafe to operate a motor vehicle, they are legally obliged to make sure that you don't operate one. Based on the local driving standard on pension day, I suspect though that there are a lot of quiet agreements not drive into bigger towns or at night, made behind closed doors.

(My wife's doctor told that if she continued to drive, that he was bound to contact QLD transport and inform them of her condition.)

 

 

[Jabiru Phil]

Mate of mine has got a 60km zone licence only.

 

Does this mean he can only fly at this speed or only in this built up area?

 

Joking of course.

 

 

[old man emu]

OK, my post was brief for the sake of forums.Sssooo...say if there is "some concern" which prevents the issue of the medical for flying to take place until further tests are carried out... does that stop the person tested from driving as well until the said tests are carried out and passed? This is for the upcoming RPL out of interest..

Calling this Class 3 medical examination a "Driver's Licence Medical" is just applying a reasonably well-known term to a relatively unknown process.

 

It is true that the Class 3 medical asks similar questions to those asked of a Heavy Vehicle Licence applicant, but there are some psychological questions, and balance/vertigo tests as well.

 

Getting to the point of a failed Class 3's effect on a motor vehicle licence, then the answer is that failing a Class 3 does not effect a vehicle licence.

 

However, having said that, let me say this - a licensed motor vehicle driver must inform the relevant motor vehicle licensing authority if the driver suffers from any condition, physical, medical or psychiatric that would impede the driver's ability to drive. So, if on attending a Class 3 medical examination and failing, a licensed motor vehicle driver would be required to confess the failure to the licensing authority. It would not be up to the doctor to report the discovery of an adverse condition, unless that condition posed a really serious danger whilst the person was driving.

 

As to failing the Class 3, start to learn how to jump through hoops.

 

OME

 

 

[davebutler]

Hi Dazza,

 

I just went to my GP, Dr Joubert at Browns Plains Med centre. He is my usual GP which is what I think CASA would prefer. 1 Of the questions he had to answer was how long he has known me.

 

I gave him a copy of the CASA info and went back a week later, no problems. He is a pilot and the practice does do the Commercial Drivers Medicals so they were familiar with most of what is required.

 

If you want I can let you have his full details.

 

Why do we keep calling it a "Drivers Licence Medical"? Maybe because that is what CASA is calling it and it is based on the Ausroads Commercial Drivers medical. Also it is NOT a class 3 medical that is a medical required for ATC's etc see: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_91594

 

I also believe that if you have or have had a class 1 or 2 medical it makes getting it a bit easier especially if you have any problems. I would suggest that if any body feels they have a problem that may exempt them from this medical they contact a DAME first and get advice from him. I have type 2 diabetes that is kept under control with diet and passed this DL medical without any further testing or questions. For my Class 2 I have to do a blood test and CASA would have this info and my history on file which no doubt helped.

 

Why did I do it? It was quick stop gap to keep flying until I can get to a DAME and do my class 2

 

Also it is not a RPL, it is a restricted medical used with a licence issued by CASA i.e. Student, GFPT, PPL CPL & ALTP. When used with 1 of these licences the licence holder will have restrictions on his/her operations e.g. restricted to private only, no aeros, no NVR, no IF, 1 PAX etc. If I remember correctly a RPL did not allow controlled airspace or only alowed certain controlled airspace.

 

Reading between the lines this medical was pushed by the SAAA to enable there members, who fly mostly homebuilt A/C with no more than 2 seats, not all are aerobatic, only fly under VFR, and are only flown for recreation by pilots that only fly for recreation but still require the ability to fly in & out of controlled airspace. To this end I feel it does just that.

 

It is still new, I do not know of anybody else that has done it, lets give it a go and see how it works.

 

 

[facthunter]

I have updated my knowledge on this. CASA do call it the drivers licence medical but there are so many proviso's that perhaps it is slightly misleading. Not many pilots understand the driving licence medical standards anyhow and only confront them after some procedure has been done on them. It appears to have changed somewhat since I last visited when the RPL first was issued, so I'm pleased to see that, but in essence there are still sections where "ever had" will make it unavailable. Class one or two have the ability to be issued with provisions. This means you deal with AVMED through a DAME. The DRIVERS Licence medical? doesn't have the flexibility of being issued with provisions as you deal only with a GP. It will definitely suit some people and is more of a step forward than the original form of RPL. Nev

 

 

[davebutler]

facthunter,

 

Correct for this medical you don't deal with AVMED it is all done by licencing & Registration and it is in principal a YES or NO examination without the flexibility of provisions. The idea is to keep it simple and the cost down with minimal input from CASA, CASA do not charge for this medical. The only cost is to the GP, in my case it was $110-00. Even all the correspondence is only done via email, no letters or any other post. Even the OK from CASA is on an email.

 

As I suggested before if somebody thinks they may have an issue see a DAME before hand.

 

 

[DrZoos]

From Casa http://www.casa.gov.au/SCRIPTS/NC.DLL?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_100908

 

The actual test you need to pass is the Ausroads "unconditional driver’s licence for a private motor vehicle" however the applicant must be further assessed to determine that he or she is not disqualified by the CASA modifications to the Austroads standards from having the higher DL medical certificate (aviation). A person’s compliance with the Austroads standards for an unconditional driver’s licence for a private motor vehicle, will not be sufficient to qualify for a DL medical certificate (aviation) unless they also comply with the higher CASA modifications of those standards.

 

There are certain medical conditions for which more stringent requirements apply for the purposes of operating as pilot in command of an aircraft and, therefore, the CASA modifications must override the lower Austroads standards.

 

You will need a driver licence medical certificate (aviation) confirming your fitness to fly, issued in accordance with the conditions in Instrument CASA EX 68/12. When applying for this medical, you must tell the doctor of any condition that may adversely affect your ability to fly safely. Examples include but are not limited to diabetes, epilepsy, heart conditions, stroke, eye problems (such as cataracts), psychiatric disorders, blackouts or fainting.

 

The certificate issued by a medical practitioner uses the uniform Australian private motor vehicle unconditional driving licence medical standards contained in the Austroads Inc. publication Assessing Fitness to Drive for Commercial and Private Vehicle Drivers, but modified by additional CASA-designed medical standards. This type of medical examination can be undertaken by any general practitioner and is similar in form to the Austroads Inc. driver licence medical examination.

 

For pilots under the age of 65 years the medical is normally issued for two years, however your GP at his or her discretion may decide to issue the certificate for a period of less than two years should they decide that you require more regular medical assessments. For pilots aged 65 years and over, the medical is issued for a maximum of 12 months.

 

The CASA component is free. Your doctor may charge a consultation fee. CASA has no control over this aspect of the process.

 

As with the Austroads driver’s licence medical certification, the examining registered medical practitioner acts as the certifying physician. He or she must be familiar with the Austroads standards for the issue of an unconditional driver’s licence medical certificate for a private motor vehicle. When faced with an applicant with a medical condition, reference must be made to the appropriate chapter of the Austroads guidelines to determine preliminary unconditional private motor vehicle medical fitness.

 

This form has the Questionare you have to fill out plus all the disqualifying criteria http://www.casa.gov.au/WCMSwr/_assets/main/manuals/regulate/misc/form166.pdf

 

It should be noted that the presence or absence of each of these disqualifying conditions must be expressly determined by the assessing registered medical practitioner.

 

The objective presence of 1 or more of the disqualifying conditions disqualifies a person from eligibility to hold a DL medical certificate (aviation),

 

It should be noted that a pilot who has been assessed as not meeting the aviation fitness standards may apply to a DAME for a class 2 medical certificate. Because the CASA class 2 certification process involves a specialist level of expertise, coupled with the capacity for a greater level of oversight, it may be possible for the person who applies to a DAME to receive a restricted medical certificate that is subject to CASA conditions.

 

Once you are done you email the following to

 

You must attach a scanned copy of all 3 forms: Driver Licence medical questionnaire (aviation) (Form 166A); Medical Practitioner Clinical Examination Proforma (Form 166B); and Driver Licence Medical Certificate Aviation (Form 166C) signed by your GP and yourself.

 

 

[68volksy]

Maybe we should cut this whole discussion straight to the point:

 

Hands up who has a known serious heart, physical or psychological condition and still flies their aircraft?

 

 

[octave]

http://www.casa.gov.au/WCMSwr/_assets/main/manuals/regulate/misc/form166.pdf

[M61A1]

Maybe we should cut this whole discussion straight to the point:Hands up who has a known serious heart, physical or psychological condition and still flies their aircraft?

I don't but I'm more comfortable with the idea of some who does, flying their ultralight, as they should be, away from built up areas and controlled airspace, than I am with one of them in a car or truck.

 

 

[facthunter]

It's not that simple 68 Volksy. There's a lot of people who have serious conditions but don't know it yet. The first time they do might be the last time they feel anything. I have said that if you can't climb four flights of stairs without puffing you have a reduced cardio vascular capacity. Clearly someone who has been monitoring their condition is better than those who ignore signs and don't look after themselves. Thin people who don't eat trans fats and exercise are better off than those who have junk processed foods and don't exercise and are overweight.. There are NO tests that guarantee your heart will keep going, but you can maximise your chances. There are plenty of airline pilots who have had heart surgery and are back flying, but they have had to work on it.

 

There are also quite a few who have had a fatal heart attack within weeks of passing a full medical, including a stress ECG (Bruce's Protocol). Sometimes it could be asserted the stress ECG may bring on the heart attack. There are not a lot of absolutes in this game, but there are known risk factors. Strokes are another possibility. IF you have had a TIA it is considered to be an indicator of possible more severe stroke later. Heart damage can make strokes more likely Nev