biggles5128 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 If you fly at 3000ft where I come from you would be AGL at ground level or very close You'd be 500 feet below the ground where I come from, probably exploring for coal seam gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 You'd be 500 feet below the ground where I come from, probably exploring for coal seam gas. That'd be "fracking" airspeed then. as in "I don't know how fast I was going, but it was pretty frackin' fast!!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaba-who Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The misinformation perpetrated here is very concerning. Both that some people who seem to be flying don't know the rules for altitude requirements and then even more so that they post them for all to see that they don't know what their talking about. Very sad. ( and scary). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 For what it's worth, CAR 173 (as we all know, CARs are applicable to RA pilots too) 173 Cruising level to be appropriate to magnetic track (1)When a V.F.R. flight is conducted at a height of 5,000 feet or more above mean sea level, the pilot in command must, subject to any contrary air traffic control instructions, ensure that the cruising level of the aircraft is appropriate to its magnetic track. Penalty: 25 penalty units. (2)When a V.F.R. flight is conducted at a height less than 5,000 feet above mean sea level, the pilot in command must, subject to any contrary air traffic control instructions, ensure that the cruising level of the aircraft is, whenever practicable, appropriate to its magnetic track. Penalty: 25 penalty units. So that's about a $2.5k fine if Airservices or CASA decide they want to go after you for nonchalantly cruising at non-standard levels (which I equate to just deciding you're going to drive on the right side of the road because it doesn't look like there's anyone else around). Subpara (1) gives you no options above 5000ft. Subpara (2) gives you a "whenever practicable" excuse below 5000ft, but more importantly than the reg itself, it's just good airmanship to cruise at standard levels because you're lowering your chance of becoming bug splatter on someone else's windscreen. "EAST - ODDS, WEST - EVENS", then for VFR you always add 500ft. It's not hard. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 An alternative is to go around the clock face: NOSE. = North-Odds-South-Evens (plus 500'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I like " you always come across the oddballs first" but sounds more like relationship advice then aviation jargon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 An alternative is to go around the clock face: NOSE. = North-Odds-South-Evens (plus 500'). Now you're messing with my mind...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Now you're messing with my mind...... Ain't that wot tru learnin is? Sometimes there's a safety issue with sticking to cruising altitudes. Coming home from Lake Keepit on Sunday cloud base was about 3500' above 1000' to 2000' land. Do you try to stay 500 under cloud or use the level most likely used by oncoming traffic? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Clear of cloud is all that is required below 1k' AGL so correct cruising alt and clear of cloud would be the answer I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Not that that's always what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Still doesn't make sense always with maintaining 500' or 1000' AGL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 On a magnetic heading of 178 should I cruise just under cloud base of 3500', or 500 feet below cloud at 3000'? The hills reach over 1500' so that level is too low. Luckily there's little traffic, but I'm trying to learn good habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 A025 in that case I would say, legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 A025 in that case I would say, legally. Wilco, but north-bound traffic beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Ain't that wot tru learnin is?Sometimes there's a safety issue with sticking to cruising altitudes. Coming home from Lake Keepit on Sunday cloud base was about 3500' above 1000' to 2000' land. Do you try to stay 500 under cloud or use the level most likely used by oncoming traffic? I'd stay comfortably clear of the cloud at the expense of a standard level in that case. With a decent lookout and radio watch you still have a good chance of picking up conflicting traffic. With a VFR aircraft and/or without an instrument rating, inadvertently popping into the cloud at low altitude could cause you a world of hurt in a short space of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 What I would consider is wether it is safer to be at A035 and clear of cloud:whistling: Know what I mean. If it's safe at Ao30 your only just above with more terrain clearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Just read Dutchies post, and clarifying the above meaning actually clear, as in well clear, if that was not available then the decision has been made for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Perhaps switch to Bne / melb centre and ask if any traffic conflict in vicinity your height of xyz. Cannot hurt to ask. More and more adsb about so the info is getting quite detailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Watched a guy do a circuit on Sunday ,all the circuits here are to the east to stay out of a jump zone and keep clear of lilydale ( who do theirs to the west) ,well old mate does a normal left hand circuit which proved 1/he hadn't rung for permission, 2/ read the notams on the website re local procedures,,,,,but the thing was he tootled off through the drop zone and at circuit height for two airfields ,,,my ATPL mate made the comment he was probably using the "big sky" theory,so if you happen to see a red and white RV 7a ( with a training wheel) in the Melbourne area be aware he is not expecting you to be where he is ,,,,regardless of where that might be, Matty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTNUZZA Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 I thought this thread was about cruise speeds not altitudes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Started off on cruise speeds, then an error crept in and we got a heap of attitudes on altitudes which has got us onto cruising at altitudes with the right attitude ,,,,we are now looking at the regs on altitudes while cruising regardless of our attitude ,until we cop a huge fine ,,,then we'll see some attitude regardless of the altitudes,,,,,,,,got it! Matty Yeh I'm here to help,,,,you can thank me later! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Higher the altitude, higher TAS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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