flyerme Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 Fact, will def think about building the larger training rudder for xwind landing as it's recommended xwind now is oknts ! Or on flair will just duck into cab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Just in case you don't have it flyerme - a wealth of Nieuport information from a group that has been flying them a long time http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/index.php I'm pretty sure I read on there somewhere that they all preferred the larger rudder too. A little less authentic look for a lot more control sounds a lot better, especially once off the ground and not looking backwards anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Congratulations flyerme. With an old bird like that, you'll need some leatherbound flying goggles to look the part. I have a pair of WW2 leatherbound RAF MK 9 goggles you can have. The elastic needs replacing which shouldn't be hard to do, but if you'd like to PM me your address, i'll send them to you and i'd be happy they'd be put to good use. Sorry I don't have a leather coat or funny helmet with a spike on the top to top it off though. Maybe it's time you also grew a moustache. Kind Regards Alan . 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Bonjouer Piere. You look great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 close up ... 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Must have been flying in the last three years, I took some pics of it at lethbridge the first year we moved here, very neat, Matty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Thats a crack-up Bex. Handle-bar moustache with no brakes on the end. You realise thats highly illegal these days? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 close up ...[ATTACH=full]30863[/ATTACH] Love it!! Bloody awesome.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 [ATTACH=full]30861[/ATTACH] Pity about the Australian Hangar in the background....sorry Hanger...Hills rotary hoist...???. Alan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 And I thought it was a Bunnings DIY shed frame. Shows how litle I know. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot Pete Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Just found this thread. It was great to catch up and help.A pity the weather wasn't on your side up here in Toowoomba on the day.I'll post the pics I took shortly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yeh and that weather followed us home! lol thanks again mate ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 SHE FLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL it truely was a ww1 mission!!!!! Big thanks to forumite Patrick Normoyle for repairing my war bird ..thanks to his wife for helping us put wings back on.. so after transport damage was repaired and a full service ,she was ready. a final adjustment and i inspected her for a COUPLE OF HOURS..(may have done some hanger flying but not telliu8ng you lot!) with Pats arrival it was inevertable ....we inspected again pulling and proding,probing and lifting.. all good? yep all good. in true style my chief mechanic (Pat) gave her a couple turns on the prop and she fired into life . Now from where i was sitting there much to consider!!!!! first- new airfield(and busy with adelaide bi-planes etc..) so lots of radio calls and paper checking for runways...2nd new plane in which every pilot has ground looped and been told so many times shes a hand full...3rd-after a repaired elevator and with no info for rudder throw and with very minamal up deflection it would truely be a Test..(plan to wheeler if not enough for a 3 point ) anyway with a thumbs up i followed Pat and his mate Steve to the cleared runway but just the taxi there alone gave me a good feel..1 thing noted was def can NOT see out front..at all! and me being a shorty i have to rest my kneck when hanging out side to see.. after a quick brief i opted for the slow taxi(advised by old owner NOT to high speed taxi her or she WILL ground loop!) so off i went for a putt down the strip..all felt nice so a 180 and back track back to the boys.. Pat asks"so what do you wanna do?" well i reckon shes good however theres a x wind here! so Pat briefed me for the active runway and off ia taxied ,,had to taxi right past the cafe and was chuffed when they gave me a wave.. so a last minute brief and I lined her up for do or die..(well not quite but from where i was sitting!)I opened her up and she travelled perfect,I lifted the tail all good and then!! theres the bite.. (with not enough forward momentem for rudder the prop wash hit the r/h side turning you) however my reflexed kept her on track and we were air born....was slower than told but OH MY GOD is she awesome....no vices and felt solid..condition were bit windy and few bumps but she was a plessure..oh lol the wind blew my headset off so some leg flying was needed to get the new set back on...so now comes the landing...i lined her up and although the numbers say 60nt final I flew by feel and chose 50kt..she handeled nice(should ad VERY twitchy -but i had no issues) I flaired out and added a a tiny amount of power (to ensure airflow over lowered tail) and lord behold? a bloody puppy dog..yep greased her down with NO tendency whats so ever for looping in landing configureation...I taxied back with grin ear to ear had a quick debrief and enjoyed a congrats and I was off agian with Pats advice for climb out she perfermed excellent(note ground loop tendency again on take off) and another greaser... so third circut I decided on adding left rudder when tail gets up(NOTE to self-DO NOT TRY THAT AGAIN!!!) so the tail rises i add a lil left rudder and she starts to loop right,I add more but she stills yaws right than WAM.she yaws aggressively left and i peddle her right the she starts to loop back R/H I feel her every niggle and bring her back with a combo of stick and rudder andaway I go (felt very sloppy but ground crew said it wasnt to ban and great recovery..) must say again in the air is an andescibeable feeling being behind the sesquaplane ,face in the breeze(i mean hurricane force wind) truely majestic and I really am a lucky and privalleged lil shyte) so thanks again Pat and if you see this thread Pat any chance you can post the vids?(YEP Pats a legened and filmed it!!!! THANK YOU TO: forumite =Patrick Normyle and his wife (PAT really put in some late nights-or is it early morns? onj this project.) forrumite=NIEUPORTPETE , with out ever meeting me came to the aid of nbot only helping pullit apart and loading but also 3escorting me threw the city of toowoomba... AND to Patricks friend Steve for assistant ground crew the support networt has been A+ take it easy guys and hope to fly her home 60 nm soon as weather permitts.. quick note reguarding ground loop. after reflecting im sure im getting the tail up a bit early!! ill hold her down a bit longer get mor speed the throw up the tail...well thats my educated theory (spelling mistakes are plenty... im a mechanic whome left school at 14 forgive me.) 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 THANKS PAT=vids http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/neiuport-11takes-to-the-skies.120840/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 As Watson would say; "Outstanding Holmes!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot Pete Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I have heard of some blokes just taking off from the 3 point attitude as the nose is already pointed up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Alright if you are accelerating fast, but you will initially have little margin above stall, and not the best control effectiveness .(if you get a gust).. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 I have heard of some blokes just taking off from the 3 point attitude as the nose is already pointed up and i have seen this in the nieuport however as i have performed this kind of take off (in supercat) I agree with fact it takes off nose high just above stall and is arkward in roll.. talking with owner he agrees on building a bit more speedtail down then raise tail and should be be fine? thanks again Pete:cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 beware the "Hun in the Sun" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Evans Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Look good m8 u look as though ya having a ball ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 did i mention my last take off was behind a tiger moth!! truely awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 did i mention my last take off was behind a tiger moth!! truely awesome Tow start? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 You won't catch him....... Raising the tail at low forward speed, often gives directional control problems. You may also have gyroscopic effects to cope with.. Once the tail is raised you have an improved situation. The airflow over the tail is better and your wheels are less in front of your Cof G. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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