rhtrudder Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Just received this , can anyone tell me what the hell this means. CASA-153_14-Permission-to-occupy-seat-fitted-with-dual-controls.pdf CASA-153_14-Permission-to-occupy-seat-fitted-with-dual-controls.pdf CASA-153_14-Permission-to-occupy-seat-fitted-with-dual-controls.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'm not sure but sounds like qualifications to be a passenger lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_richo Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/passenger-carriage-in-seats-with-dual-controls.122602/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsm Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I may be a little slow, but does this mean that if I give a proper passenger briefing then I can still carry normal passengers, I don't have to make sure they are a pilot or have a ministerial exemption? (this is a genuine query, not a leg pull..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I may be a little slow, but does this mean that if I give a proper passenger briefing then I can still carry normal passengers, I don't have to make sure they are a pilot or have a ministerial exemption? (this is a genuine query, not a leg pull..) Yes. Reading the other thread makes it a little clearer. Seems this is an exemption from the rule, it is a bit confusing reading rules then reading all the exemptions and they wonder why we all don't study them from front to back. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Here it is in full save digging around to find it. KP.. Passenger carriage in seats with dual controls August 13, 2014 | members At present CAR 226 (1) © permits a passenger to be carried in a seat with dual controls only if the passenger is an appropriately qualified pilot licence holder, a student or Is authorised by CASA. 226 Dual controls (1) During flight, a person may occupy a control seat of an aircraft equipped with fully or partially functioning dual controls only if: (a) the person holds an appropriate pilot licence for the type of aircraft and the class of operations in which the aircraft is flown; or (b) the person is a student pilot assigned for instruction in the aircraft; or © the person is authorised by CASA. Penalty: 25 penalty units. (2) In authorising a person to occupy a control seat in pursuance of subregulation (1), CASA may grant the authority subject to such conditions as CASA considers necessary in the interests of safety. (3) A person authorised under paragraph (1)(b) must not contravene a condition subject to which the authority is granted. Penalty: 25 penalty units. (4) An offence against subregulation (1) or (3) is an offence of strict liability. Note: For strict liability , see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code . An Exemption (EX153-14) has been issued by CASA to formalise RA-Aus Pilot Certificate holders’ ability to carry a passenger in a seat which has dual controls. CASA 153_14 – Permission to occupy seat fitted with dual controls Essentially, from members perspective, nothing changes, provided pilots conduct an appropriate passenger briefing including the information in Schedule 2 of the Exemption, that controls are not to be interfered with during a flight, and there is adequate communications possible between pilot and passenger. CASA have produced an excellent video presentation at the link below which provides some additional insight into an appropriate passenger brief.Jill BaileyOperations Manager 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Somebody in CASA and RAAus finally twigged that RAAus aircraft only have two seats and have controls for both and the existing rule conflicted with the passenger carrying endo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerochute Kev Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I often do not have comms with a passenger but do give a full briefing of what not to touch, and also advise them I have a taser in my pocket so if they do something stupid I will taser them into unconsciousness to ensure I survive the flight. Couldn't find anything in the Ops manual that says i can't. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodo Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Why taser them? Just tip 'em out - people are the only thing you can legally drop from an aircraft...heh.heh.heh 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Australia, you're standing in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Having read all this I don't understand why i need a passenger exemption when flying RAAus registered aircraft but not when I fly GA. Or is there a similar exemption letter covering GA ( which mostly have dual controls)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Australia, you're standing in it. Yes, pretty sure there are still countries that would shoot people that come up with inane rubbish like this. The video forgot to remind the passenger to do a susu (peepee) before boarding.... have to re-shoot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 This should cover it 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Lol kg our rego will be delayed again next year until we can all show a photo of that plaque 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Yes, pretty sure there are still countries that would shoot people that come up with inane rubbish like this. Needing qualifications to take a ride in a plane is inane by any standards. It might be excusable if it was an oddity in Australia but sadly, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Just received this , can anyone tell me what the hell this means. If you read this document carefully, it has been authorised and signed by some smart Aleck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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