seb7701 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Folks, I am considering an aircraft with a blue top 582 which has 650hrs on it and never had a rebuild. Question is - what life do you get from a bottom end? I am aware that a top rebuild would be no problem, but wondered whether the rest would hold up. The engine appears to have had an easy life and is still quite fine at present. Also, where can I get a rebuild these days in southern Qld? All help much appreciated!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Unfortunately from what I have read around the place , the Big End roller bearings are the leak link and often fail anywhere after 300 hrs. Rotax recommend a new crank as a part of the major overhaul. Just what I have read..... cheers JimG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vince Clegg Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Try Richard for a rebuild. Queensland Service Centre Rotax Engine Specialst 261 Mount French Road Boonah Queensland 4310 Contact Person: Mr Richard Eacott Tel: 07 5463 2476 Email:[email protected] Cheers Vince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Richard is definitely the man...flew with one of his engines recently and I was impressed...I heard he only did Drifter engines though, and that he was retiring soon.............Maj...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seb7701 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Thanks gents. Sounds like a lost cause. I wasn't sure if Richard was still in the engine business, but will definitely drop him a line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylon500 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Got a new replacement 582 last year from Flood's for $5500. Came with new carbs, new exhaust (cylinder to tailpipe and springs!), new plugs and even a bottle of the new AeroShell two stroke aviation oil (sounds like a contradiction in terms I know?), should point out the oil had an expired shelf life, but.....? Engine pre-fitted with oil injection and pull start, just add your own starter and gearbox, and your off with a NEW motor. AND, I still have the old motor (which was running well) for an uncertified project, or sale to others for same (I'm keeping it at the moment). 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seb7701 Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Crikey!! That is a bargain! I was wondering what the new price was, but was thinking around the $6500+ mark ordinarily?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylon500 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I think I've heard that if you send your expired 300 hour engine to them for a 'zero' time rebuild, it costs around $3500, then you add postage.... If you are starting from scratch, meaning you also need a radiator, oil tank, gear box, air filter and starter, the price comes to about $8000? Depending if you are building something new (kit or plan), then the list goes on into hoses, engine mount, starter relay, regulator/rectifier, EGT, CHT/water temp probes and gauges. And don't forget the prop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Try chasing a 300hr one second hand from flight schools or from hire/reward aircraft. They are definately around..... I do know a bloke who ran a bottom end to a couple of thousand ours with no probs in a trike and only changed it because he bought another 300hr engine cheap. Always did the bearing clearance checks etc.... Interesting to note that he flys multiple times per week. If the weather is fine.....he flys. I'm thinking regular use has an effect on life expectancy....... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Evans Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I know of a few 582 with over 500 hrs with no problems But with a good maintains and looking after the have run reliable for many hours I know a few in the states that have a 800 plus still going strong ,. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I just bought a new 582 from bert flood all up INCLUDING GST and freight $ 6800 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 And rebuild back to 0 hrs is $5000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 My 503 they ( Wal-aka-mark) rebuilt to 0hrs ( arrived back today) $4371.40.(300 for shipping-150 each way) so rebuild $4071.40c. ( electrics not included in rebuild ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seb7701 Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 Much appreciated- glad they can at least rebuild the trusty 503.... Sux that the rebuild/purchase is so darn similar. Worst still, the 650hr engine may carry on for ages or stop tomorrow.... Best start hunting for a replacement... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Much appreciated- glad they can at least rebuild the trusty 503....Sux that the rebuild/purchase is so darn similar. Worst still, the 650hr engine may carry on for ages or stop tomorrow.... Best start hunting for a replacement... Yeh basically an extra $1500 for a new one and you get every thing,! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummer Dave Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have a 582 with 270hrs on it. I get a lot of different opinions on a rebuild or just buy a new one. Im open for suggestions as I have approx. 18mnths to go, at the rate I am flying. Is the 300hr a Max for rebuild or can I stretch this out by a few hrs?? What sort of money can I ask for my current 582 once it has 300 hrs? as it can obviously go towards the cost of new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have a 582 with 270hrs on it.I get a lot of different opinions on a rebuild or just buy a new one. Im open for suggestions as I have approx. 18mnths to go, at the rate I am flying. Is the 300hr a Max for rebuild or can I stretch this out by a few hrs?? What sort of money can I ask for my current 582 once it has 300 hrs? as it can obviously go towards the cost of new. I ran mine old one to 520 hr and most go to 600 . Manufacturer states 300 hrs so it's really up to you. I plan on rebuilding my new one ( already on 15 hrs) at the recommended 300. The reason I wanted a new one was so I know the engine has been looked after to specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummer Dave Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I ran mine old one to 520 hr and most go to 600 . Manufacturer states 300 hrs so it's really up to you. I plan on rebuilding my new one ( already on 15 hrs) at the recommended 300. The reason I wanted a new one was so I know the engine has been looked after to specs. Thanks for your reply. I will look into current price options and then start saving !!. My machine runs beautifully but I know that I am getting close to making a decision on the maintenance of my aircraft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 As a training proposition the Rotax life is stated as 300 hours. This is conservative, and if the motor had not had any lean mixture events and well looked after should do a good 200 hours more easily I have replaced rings in some where the rings were still OK at those times. Carbon in the ring grooves is a cause of seizures and ring breakage which is a sudden failure if it happens. You can check the condition of the rings through the exhaust ports and push the rings in, in the grooves with a paddle pop stick so as not to mark them. I do know of some high hours engines. (800-1000.) Anything over that is not worth doing unless you have miles of flat suitable landing areas. The roller bearings don't usually show a lot of play before they fail. The failure can either be a cage or parts of the hardened crankpin peeling off due to too much work done. Ie fatigue of the surface. Sometimes a lack of oil can cause the bearing to go blue and lose it's hardness or just lock up The new motor is the best value. You get carbs electrics and mufflers etc. Sell the old one off for some other use. Someone else may get some parts from it. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummer Dave Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 As a training proposition the Rotax life is stated as 300 hours. This is conservative, and if the motor had not had any lean mixture events and well looked after should do a good 200 hours more easily I have replaced rings in some where the rings were still OK at those times. Carbon in the ring grooves is a cause of seizures and ring breakage which is a sudden failure if it happens. You can check the condition of the rings through the exhaust ports and push the rings in, in the grooves with a paddle pop stick so as not to mark them.I do know of some high hours engines. (800-1000.) Anything over that is not worth doing unless you have miles of flat suitable landing areas. The roller bearings don't usually show a lot of play before they fail. The failure can either be a cage or parts of the hardened crankpin peeling off due to too much work done. Ie fatigue of the surface. Sometimes a lack of oil can cause the bearing to go blue and lose it's hardness or just lock up The new motor is the best value. You get carbs electrics and mufflers etc. Sell the old one off for some other use. Someone else may get some parts from it. Nev Thanks Nev. Yes I am thinking that new is the best way for me. My current engine would be worth something, so at least I can put it towards new!! I just left a message with: Queensland Service Centre Rotax Engine Specialst Mr Richard Eacott Tel: 07 5463 2476 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummer Dave Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I ran mine old one to 520 hr and most go to 600 . Manufacturer states 300 hrs so it's really up to you. I plan on rebuilding my new one ( already on 15 hrs) at the recommended 300. The reason I wanted a new one was so I know the engine has been looked after to specs. A rebuild is sounding better to me at this time, but who knows !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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