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I can't see how Wagners can win this, the law is pretty clear on infrastructure fees.

If it were so simple I'm sure the judge would have decided the case in a day. The judges comments suggest otherwise...

 

"I want someone of substantial stature and experience ... who's got the forensic background for this type of dispute.”

 

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The judge is saying you can't win this, taking it too court is a waste of time and money.

 

Have a look at how the case against Alan Jones is going, the Wagners are demanding $4.8M without being able to show any damages.

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The judge is saying you can't win this, taking it too court is a waste of time and money...

Well, I don't know anything about the matter apart from the media reports I've read. Though I'm sure the Judge probably has a bit of an idea of what the party's are thinking.

 

The Wagner family has extensive ties to the Toowoomba community and I'm sure the last thing they want to be doing is fighting with the council of a city they love. It may very well be the base of the problem is with a couple of self important dills that work for the council. A court imposed mediation sit down lets the party's revisit the issue. Be interesting to see who gets sacked.

 

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...Have a look at how the case against Alan Jones is going, the Wagners are demanding $4.8M without being able to show any damages.

I hope they take him to the cleaners. He's overdue for a trim up.

 

Too often you hear someone challenging a shock jock and the 7-second delay is used to cut them off.

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The airport is located on land in the former Jondaryan shire council, of which John Wagner was a councillor that presided over the council amalgamation. His experience as a businessman involved in the construction industry and as a former local politician would have given him an intimate knowledge of the council workings. The judge would be made aware of this in his briefing.

 

I hope they take him to the cleaners. He's overdue for a trim up.Too often you hear someone challenging a shock jock and the 7-second delay is used to cut them off.

Everyone knows that talk back radio is theatre, anyone listening to Jones would know he isn't credible authority on anything.

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...Everyone knows that talk back radio is theatre, anyone listening to Jones would know he isn't credible authority on anything.

If only that ever true, FT. Why do so many politicians cowtow to shock jocks? Because they have an enormous influence on the voting behaviour of the masses. Go into any worshshop, garage, building site or waiting room and people are immersed in the daily rankings of Jones or Laws and their ilk.
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you get rid of one toxic radio presenter and the audience will find another one on another channel. I don't think radio's audience is that large anymore, I remember we tried advertising on the local channel which also ran his show and we got a very poor response compared to online advertising.

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Wagners seem reluctant to pay these development fees

 

 

 

Wagner needs $1m council waiver to build Toowoomba hotel

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HOTEL developer Kenneth Wagner won't build his massive 102-room building in the Toowoomba CBD unless he receives a $1 million infrastructure charges waiver from the Toowoomba Regional Council.

 

Mr Wagner is a step closer to realising his vision for the Glad on Ruthven St, after the council voted to enter into a lease agreement with him over part of the neighbouring TRC-owned Kwong Sang Walk.

 

From there, his company KPAT Property Pty Ltd would continue discussions with the planning department to finalise the design and conditions.

 

 

 

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"I see that we will be a couple of weeks finalising this lease, then a couple of weeks in the planning department," Mr Wagner told The Chronicle.

 

"We've drawn up our final set of plans, but we don't want to submit them prior to this lease being squared away.

 

"The reality is we are on the right track."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Iconic hotel demolished: The Gladstone Hotel has been demolished making way for new five-storey development which will include a 102-unit hotel, shops and a tavern.

 

But Mr Wagner said he wanted the council to make good on its incentive offer to waive up to $1 million in charges for developments in the CBD.

 

"We will not progress with our development until the council has committed to giving us a $1 million infrastructure charge rebate," he said.

 

"It is at council's discretion, but the added costs of adding a new basement level and other conditions have meant the project is not viable without that rebate."

 

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Planning and development chair Cr Chris Tait confirmed the TRC would enter into an agreement with KPAT Property.

 

"This activation will be achieved through the ability to access tenancies within the adjoining development directly from Kwong Sang Walk," he said.

 

"Council's Chief Executive Officer has been authorised to commence the relevant lease negotiations.

 

"The lessee will be responsible for obtaining any relevant development approvals required to facilitate the lease."

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Why wouldn't you try to waive such ridiculous fees? It's not like they have a good record with financial management.

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I believe everyone should pay the bare minimum, and that govt should learn to control spending. If it genuinely cost TRC $1M to process such a development, it might be understandable, but realistically, it's just a cash grab. I'm no fan of Wagners, but I am a fan of cost effective government at all levels.

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If Wagners don't pay for the infrastructure then you will, or the council takes on debt and you kids pick up the bill.  

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What if we assume for a moment that the real cost isn't $1M and the fee in no way reflects reality? I have no problem with developers needing to pay what things actually cost, but I do have a problem with made up "cash grab" fees.

 

Surely you have at some time had to pay application fees and such at TRC and thought that they in no way reflected reality. 

 

If you've ever seen the speed at which council works progress, you will know that any civil contractor could do the same job much cheaper. So why do you not complain about council wasting your tax?

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national party controlled council so the real infrastructure cost is probably $1M+ I saw Kenneth on the news tonight he is leasing the mall next to his building from the council now. so no doubt another good deal on the way.

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WTF has the National party got to do with whether or not it really costs $1M?  None of the clowns manage out money well enough to honestly say that the costs reflect what they actually provide.

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National party is the party of low taxes.

 

So they tell us and I believe everything a politician tells me.

 

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Jones accuses Wagners of Qantas bribery

 

 

By Shae McDonald

 

18 May 2018 — 4:38pm

 

 

 

Alan Jones denies he has a bitter hatred for the Wagner family and a desire to see them fail but has maintained his accusation they could have bribed Qantas.

 

The talkback radio host engaged in a series of fiery cross-examination exchanges in his second day in the witness box in the Brisbane Supreme Court.

 

 

Alan Jones is seen entering the Supreme Court in Brisbane, Friday, May 18.

 

Photo: AAP Image/Glenn Hunt

 

The Wagner brothers are suing Jones, Harbour Radio, 4BC and writer Nick Cater for $4.8 million over 32 broadcasts relating to the 2011 Queensland floods between 2014 and 2015.

 

John, Denis, Neill and Joe Wagner claim they were accused of the deaths of 12 people in the town of Grantham during the floods when one of the walls of a quarry they owned collapsed.

 

They also allege they were accused of a high-level cover-up with politicians, as well as corruption and intimidation, relating to their Wellcamp Airport.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jones told the court he'd raised his concerns about air space and the approvals process for the Toowoomba facility with Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce, and his recollection was he agreed with him.

 

 

 

 

 

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That's why, he said, he was taken by surprise when he learned the airline was going to start flying into the airport.

 

"Are you seriously telling me that you're flying planes into Wellcamp after all the discussions we've had?," he said in an email to Mr Joyce.

 

Barrister Tom Blackburn SC said Jones then accused the Wagners of bribing Qantas.

 

"I think I used that word because I noted in his letter ... that he had agreed to fly in because the offer is commercially very attractive," the radio broadcaster said.

 

"When I saw that I thought ... if it's commercially attractive some inducement has been given for Qantas to fly in."

 

Jones said he believed the conclusion he drew was "perfectly legitimate".

 

"What word would you use, an inducement, a bribe?" he asked Mr Blackburn.

 

"Would they have flown in if they had to meet orthodox commercial requirements?"

Amid the pair's fiery exchanges on Friday, Jones was forced to deny he had a bitter hatred for the Wagners, was careless with the truth and wilfully blind to information that didn't suit his narrative.

 

"I don't hate people, I'm only trying to express the concerns of those expressed to me by the community," he said.

 

Mr Blackburn also asked Jones if he had heard the phrase "willing to wound but afraid to strike".

 

"I'm willing to wound and strike if necessary, Mr Blackburn," he said in response.

 

Earlier, Mr Blackburn attempted to add 35 broadcasts from 2011 to 2015 to the defamation proceedings.

He said most of the proposed additions addressed the same issues as those already part of the trial.

 

He claimed they went to the issue of aggravated damages because they showed Jones and Cater were "motivated by a desire to injure the plaintiffs' reputation".

 

Justice Peter Flanagan said he received no explanation for why the broadcasts weren't made available to Jones when the trial started three weeks ago.

 

He refused to allow Jones be cross-examined on those broadcasts until his legal team had time to go over them.

 

Mr Blackburn withdrew his application, but said he may re-lodge it at a later date.

Jones will continue giving evidence on Monday.

 

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Now part of the legal proceedings against him, could get interesting.

 

You may be familiar with Jones and the weird cult of conservatism following him but many people like myself never listen. It's part of the Wellcamp story now.

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Now part of the legal proceedings against him, could get interesting.

 

You may be familiar with Jones and the weird cult of conservatism following him but many people like myself never listen. It's part of the Wellcamp story now.

 

I'll agree with weird cult, I have to turn off any radio within earshot playing Alan Jones or Ray Hadley, or pretty much any talkback radio for that matter. I'm just familiar enough to know that they are not balanced journos.

 

But you still haven't made a relevant point  yet. Anyone can and will throw up random unrelated media articles  thanks the the wonders of the internet.

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Jones is going to get roasted

 

 ALAN Jones didn't have any scientific or expert evidence to back up claims about the collapse of a quarry wall causing deaths during the 2011 Queensland floods, a court has heard.

 

But during his third day of being questioned in Brisbane Supreme Court, where he is defending a $4.8 million lawsuit, the talkback host stood by the assertion.

 

"I had plenty of eyewitness evidence," he said.

 

"I was a voice for the voiceless."

 

Toowoomba-based Wagner brothers John, Denis, Neill and Joe are suing Jones, Harbour Radio, 4BC and writer Nick Cater over 32 broadcasts from 2014-15 relating to the 2011 Queensland floods.

Broadcaster Alan Jones (centre) enters Brisbane Supreme Court last Friday. Picture: Glenn Hunt/AAP

Broadcaster Alan Jones (centre) enters Brisbane Supreme Court last Friday. Picture: Glenn Hunt/AAP

 

They allege they were blamed for the deaths of 12 people in the town of Grantham during the floods, when one of the walls of the Lockyer Valley quarry they owned collapsed.

 

"I've regularly asserted that," Jones said.

 

Under cross-examination from the Wagners' barrister Tom Blackburn, Jones was questioned about what had led him to form the view.

 

"You had no, first of all, hydrological evidence, at all," he asked.

 

"No, I did not," Jones replied.

 

"You had no scientific evidence, expert evidence, of any kind," Mr Blackburn followed up.

 

"No, just the evidence of people's eyes. Witnesses," Jones responded.

 

Jones denied last Friday that he hated the Wagners, was careless with the truth and wilfully blind to information that did not suit his narrative.

 

He will continue giving evidence this afternoon.

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I agree.  I'm not a Wagners fan, but Alan Jones has certainly made some wild allegations, and ones that have been disproved twice now about the 2011 floods.  Should it cost him dearly I will almost certainly feel a sense of schadenfreude.

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