Flyer Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 tankering fuel 70kg for fuelLeaves me just enough for my toiletry bag.......:;)2: With a fuel burn rate of 15L/hr max at cruise, that gives you 6.6 hrs including 45minutes reserve at 100 knots or 600 nm plus reserve..... I don't know about you, but my bladder wont last that long.:yuk: I'd be dropping about 30L out of the tank and that would still give you 4hrs or 400nm (depending on wind) plus reserve as well as 21kg of baggage room based on your calculations above...;) Just for perspective, Melbourne to Adelaide is about 370nm... My 2 cents Regards Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushpilot Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 One would assume that it is the old model LSA (which has nothing to do with the new LSA Class of aircraft) but factory certified under the new LSA rules - hence the 500kg take off weight against the old 470kg limit. So I guess that means that it has the same dimensions as "the old model LSA". Does someone out there have the dimensional spec handy? - ie span, length, cabin width, etc. I've emailed Jabiru and asked about performance specs. Cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest High Plains Drifter Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Funny how its always a compromise in aviation - full fuel or full pax and luggage. If I fully fuel my four seat spam can, it efectivly becomes a two seat and luggage aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brentc Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 It's only got a 68 litre tank, so therefore you get an extra 20kg's to go with your toiletries bag! HPD - Tooradin operates 4 Jabs, soon to be 6. 2 x LSA 55's, 2 * J160's and 2 * J170's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoy Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Hi Ross My J160c manual reads VNO 112, VNE 140 ,VA 102 ,VFE 84 & MTOW 544 kg. Cheers Theo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPete Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 That's funny - (as in weird) ;) my manual says MTOW is 540kg. So where's that other 4kg? :yuk: regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Is it J160c or J160 (kit). I was quoting from the kit owners handbook. Maybe more typos??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I converted to RAA in a Jabiru LSA 55/3J and copied most of the owners manual to study. Have good look at the following figures From page 2 Sup 7-6 Dated Oct 97 for "Optional Equipment Supplement" specifically the "Big Foot Undercarriage" option. Stall speeds in KIAS Flap setting ............................... Zero... Stage 1... Stage 2 .............................................................Take Off....Landing Max Take off & landing weight----- 41 ......... 45 .......... 47 In another section of the owners manual the figures for standard gear wheels are: --------------------------------------46.......... 44 .......... 40 Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPete Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 I have a J160c - Empty Weight 297kgs regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueline Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Is the J120 really an SP? Just from the look of the Jabiru ad the J120 looks like the long tailed SP (which had a MTOW of 500kg). Jabiru have been making them for the European market. These are nicer to fly than the LSA (which always needed a bit more directional stability). $58,000 new including GST - sure will put a lid on used prices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 You are right about them being tough. We have a pilot not too far from here who has upturned his Jab several times and it gets fixed really quickly and he is off again. I think the last time he was taking off from a beach and the cross wind forced him into soft sand, a nice gently somersault and he and his daughter walked away from it unhurt. By the way his nickname is "Flipper" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 J120 What is it, it has J160 front panels, J160 doors Sp Rudder and the old LSA under cart?????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brentc Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 You're right Blueline, I hadn't looked at it closely enough. It certainly ain't an LSA55. It has SP door hinges, SP ventral fin and rudder, stretched fuse of the SP, with small wheels by the looks of it. Front cowls are also off the latest model. The 'No Frills No Options' is a bit of a worry though. There's probably a couple of grand retail in a gear upgrade which they obviously won't fit for you, plus a few instruments etc like the Dynon. It will add up in price pretty quickly, but the big bonus is that it's not actually an LSA55 and should fly much more nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J430 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Looks like the UL with the short wing. Maybe its the long wing? Good entry level price though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushpilot Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Made an enquiry of Jabiru HO today. Full spec sheet is still being put together, but in essence: Same basic dimensions (span & length) as J160 - but cab is narrower than J160 but slightly larger than old LSA Jab. 5kts faster cruise than J160 - less drag. New improved cowling to better manage engine temps. Solid wings = less assembly time and cheaper repairs; tank in cabin. Manual flaps. Nice price. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AusDarren Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 If the MTOW is 500kg.....265kg empty 160kg for 2 average men 70kg for fuel Leaves me just enough for my toiletry bag.......:;)2: 65 Litres = 47kg a little more for your Pax.. or one HUGE toilet bag! ;) Regards, AusDarren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelorus32 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Great Thing I reckon this is a great thing. At the price it will encourage more people into Rec Aviation. I think Matt very eloquently expressed his views about Jabs and mine are the same. Still this is a good thing. But it's also horses for courses. People do pay more for other a/c. People do like low wings/highwings/euro a/c/....This just gives them one more choice. You're right Blueline, I hadn't looked at it closely enough. The 'No Frills No Options' is a bit of a worry though. There's probably a couple of grand retail in a gear upgrade which they obviously won't fit for you, plus a few instruments etc like the Dynon. It will add up in price pretty quickly, but the big bonus is that it's not actually an LSA55 and should fly much more nicely. If it's a Light Sport Aircraft (LSA as opposed to LSA55) then you can't make a gear upgrade if the factory don't approve it. And if the factory don't approve a Dynon then you can't do that either. That's LSA and it's not such a hindrance as long as you understand the limitations. As for the fuel tank in the cabin: that's not for me. People and fuel shouldn't be sharing the same space - ever - that's my view from seeing a few Niki Lauda lookalikes. Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fred Bear Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 As for the fuel tank in the cabin: that's not for me. People and fuel shouldn't be sharing the same space - ever - that's my view from seeing a few Niki Lauda lookalikes. Probably a true thing. Our LSA 55 at The Oaks makes me nervous sometimes seeing all that sloshing around behind me but also thought to myself even with wingtanks 5mm of fibreglass ain't going to protect us either. The whole thing is going to melt real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J430 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 So.....It is the UL with short wings (dry).....not hard, just the most economical combination of existing product and moulds etc......;) J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushpilot Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 J120 specification Guys - Here is specification for J120... (See attachment) Cheers, Chris Jabiru J120 spec'n.pdf Jabiru J120 spec'n.pdf Jabiru J120 spec'n.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultralights Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 still ugly to me! actually i wonder if Jabiru will make a new generation of aircraft, that look a bit more sleeker... runs and hides.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 How does an lsa compare to j160 flight stability wise?...i mean i converted from a skyfox into a j160 and i have to say, i don't like screamin over the fence at 70-75 knotts...and in turbulent conditions forget about it...have had some hairy bum landings in some chop...she seems to get thrown around alot...anyviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bendorn Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 65 Litres = 47kg a little more for your Pax.. or one HUGE toilet bag! ;) Regards, AusDarren Hairy man = BIG razor!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sportaviationacademy Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The 540 kg MTOW comes about as to meet the 45knot stall speed the 160 wont stall at 45 at544kg but will at 540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPete Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 Thankyou - I suspected as much. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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