Nightmare Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Darren Chester MP: Aviators against ASIC Here is a link to a petition to attempt to change the ASIC system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zodiacpilot Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 If somebody approaches to see the ASIC you dont have...........(1) Ask who their employer is (2) ask to see their course completion cetificate authorising them to make the sighting request. If the answers are (1) Airport operator (2) Dont have one, then go about your business & ignore them, they are NOT ALLOWED to detain you, only police are. IE: Asic checker at YMIA is the Airport gardener. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 If somebody approaches to see the ASIC you dont have...........(1) Ask who their employer is (2) ask to see their course completion cetificate authorising them to make the sighting request. If the answers are (1) Airport operator (2) Dont have one, then go about your business & ignore them, they are NOT ALLOWED to detain you, only police are. IE: Asic checker at YMIA is the Airport gardener. I've held an ASIC ever since they were introduced, and the only time i've been asked to show it was by a lady at the Airport Cafeteria who offered me a discount on a cup of coffee if i had one!! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnprop Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 "At a minimum, all pilots must undergo the background checks for an AVID and ASIC. Only those pilots who require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport will need to undergo the more robust background checks for an ASIC." CASA website. What is "a secure area of a security controlled airport" ? In August I received an AVID card (valid for 5 years) 4 months after applying and making representation to my NSW Senator who referred my representation to the office of the Aviation? Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 What exactly did you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horsefeathers Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I've held an ASIC ever since they were introduced, and the only time i've been asked to show it was by a lady at the Airport Cafeteria who offered me a discount on a cup of coffee if i had one!! Sooo, according to the CASA website, you can fly without an AVID, but you need to have submitted an application for an AVID or an ASIC to operate an aircraft. And, Before issuing you an AVID, CASA must be satisfied that you have an operational need for the background security check. That means you need to have a CASA flight crew licence and a current medical. CASA will renew your AVID if your medical is being renewed (Your AVID questions answered | Civil Aviation Safety Authority) Does this apply to RAA or only to CASA issued flight crew licencees? If it does apply to RAA, it would seem a number of RAA certificate holders are in breach of some regulation or other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayecapt Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 It looks like the ASIC system is going to get even more complex and annoying later this year.Identity security amendments seems its possible to get your face to face check done at a post office. See pic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennyboy320 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 So as I was born overseas I need my original citizenship certificate plus my passport, even though to get a passport I needed to show them the certificate 40 years ago, as well as to join the RAAF, mmmm all very "Yes Minister" more red tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 CASA has a NPRM out signalling a change in airport designation from the current REG, CERT and Other, to Regulated and Un-regulated. I think it's probably a fair bet that former CERT aerodromes will become Regulated (irrespective of whether that have RPT services) and that all Regulated will require ASICs. Kaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennyboy320 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Like I've mentioned before, I can't believe that with 10,000 members we don't have more political powers like EAA in the US. We should be telling these elected officials what WE require not the other way around. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 CASA has a NPRM out signalling a change in airport designation from the current REG, CERT and Other, to Regulated and Un-regulated.I think it's probably a fair bet that former CERT aerodromes will become Regulated (irrespective of whether that have RPT services) and that all Regulated will require ASICs. Kaz Then it's time our Association (even if it's now a Company) campaigned to protect we, the members, from this dumb bureaucratic impost. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Like I've mentioned before, I can't believe that with 10,000 members we don't have more political powers like EAA in the US. We should be telling these elected officials what WE require not the other way around. Well said, Benny. It's time the tail stopped wagging the dog. Public Servants are paid to SERVE US- not tell us what to do. I've had a word with several politicians about aviation issues and Barnaby in particular seemed to get the message. Unfortunately even the Deputy PM seems to have little power over CASA. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Anson Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 One of the very annoying aspects of the ASIC is that having paid for two years, it's not even for two years. It took so long to renew last time that I got in nice and early. My old ASIC covered up to August 2017. My new one only goes to June 2019. My grumble to RAA was basically answered with "tough luck, not our problem". (not their words but that's what they meant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Like I've mentioned before, I can't believe that with 10,000 members we don't have more political powers like EAA in the US. We should be telling these elected officials what WE require not the other way around. Persistence and tenacity is what is needed and when you start do not stop. The problem is people give up or they are too trusting, just send a letter with your information and that is the last that anything is heard of. No it is a case of pestering every week. I have a case going as the moment we were promised the world sad to say that was the last we heard..... HOWEVER.... sad to say for the crowd it is a reminder regarding every week. KP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 Like I've mentioned before, I can't believe that with 10,000 members we don't have more political powers like EAA in the US. We should be telling these elected officials what WE require not the other way around. While I don't disagree, 24 000 000/10000=2400 With only 1 person in every 2400 being a member of ra Aus, it doesn't equate to much political power. That's 0.04 percent of the population. Compare that to something like the NRA, which is about 1.5% of the US population, and they do have some clout. Simple fact is most Australians couldn't care less about general aviation so the government isn't going to spend time on something with no voice and no votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I refuse to apply for an ASIC card. My grandfather fought for freedom from this kind of government and I'm going to try and live up to what he fought for. Let's hope your great great grandfather didn't come out in a convict ship then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zodiacpilot Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Was told last Friday you need an Avid & Asic to do your GA bi-annual, examiners wont do it otherwise. Apparently an Asic isn't necessary if you can con someone with one to escort you from & to your craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love to fly Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Was told last Friday you need an Avid & Asic to do your GA bi-annual, examiners wont do it otherwise.Apparently an Asic isn't necessary if you can con someone with one to escort you from & to your craft. Really? I did my AFR, GA bi-annual I think, recently. And the same as all the previous ones no one asked to see my AVID or ASIC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We need to get the various representative organisations to work together to sort out this ridiculous situation! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 Was told last Friday you need an Avid & Asic to do your GA bi-annual, examiners wont do it otherwise.Apparently an Asic isn't necessary if you can con someone with one to escort you from & to your craft. That seems more like the exception than the norm. Firstly a BFR is not a test and as such is not conducted by an examiner, it's done by a grade 2 or 1 instructor. Secondly, there is no requirement to have an asic for a flight review. However if it was a flight test then yes you are required to have a current asic or avid as it's a requirement on the form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We need to get the various representative organisations to work together to sort out this ridiculous situation! You will never get that as they are all out partaking in Latte's and Lobster, bragging how good they are. KP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I think currently, the owner/operator of the airport decides which areas are required "secure areas". so a bit more variation due to that. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 No convicts ever came to SA Turbs. Or the NT either. To this day we are the least corrupt part of Australia. You only need to study a beer-bottle label to see proof of this. ( 10 cents deposit in SA/NT ) My grandfather was one of those "undisciplined" Australian troops the english would have killed by firing squad had not the aftermath of Breaker Morant's case removed Australians from their jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippydiesel Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 One of the very annoying aspects of the ASIC is that having paid for two years, it's not even for two years. It took so long to renew last time that I got in nice and early. My old ASIC covered up to August 2017. My new one only goes to June 2019. My grumble to RAA was basically answered with "tough luck, not our problem". (not their words but that's what they meant) More fool you for applying for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippydiesel Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I think currently, the owner/operator of the airport decides which areas are required "secure areas". so a bit more variation due to that. Nev Should this ad hoc approach to what constitutes a "secure area" be correct, if further undermines an already ridiculous imposition on the recreational pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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