Oscar Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Yes, manufacture of Certificated parts requires a Parts Manufacturing Authority ( 'PMA') which CAMit had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 As a point of interest I was in Bundy doing a job for my work and then had to get some parts from Bunnings for the farm this weekend here. I dropped into the Jab factory to see if I could get a brochure on the new 6cyc gen4 engine....bargain bonanza I got a private tour with Sue through the factory and the cnc machines and the new parts and 1 piece cast blocks and the machining of such. It was very interesting I will say. They seem to be doing the right things from what I saw also taking a steady steady approach to development. I did like what I sawThey also have some ex Camit people there as well. Well, I am now confused! (doesn't take a lot, I admit, but I am at least a step ahead of the piece of paper with 'Other Side' written on both sides..) On the Jab. website, the engine piccies show the new barrels and heads mounted on 'Gen 3' machined crankcases. So: is what Jabiru currently show, now been surpassed by another version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKW Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Well, I am now confused! (doesn't take a lot, I admit, but I am at least a step ahead of the piece of paper with 'Other Side' written on both sides..)On the Jab. website, the engine piccies show the new barrels and heads mounted on 'Gen 3' machined crankcases. So: is what Jabiru currently show, now been surpassed by another version? If you have a close look at the four cylinder engine, you will notice that the crankcase IS a casting, whereas the six is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Then perhaps I have the wrong browser. What mine shows ( http://www.jabiru.net.au/images/documents/2200_flyer.pdf ) has an obvious join line down the centre and has been cnc machined. That would require through-bolts to pull it together. Could you please point me at the url for the new version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKW Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Then perhaps I have the wrong browser. What mine shows ( http://www.jabiru.net.au/images/documents/2200_flyer.pdf ) has an obvious join line down the centre and has been cnc machined. That would require through-bolts to pull it together.Could you please point me at the url for the new version? That is the correct photo. They are a two piece housing and they still require through bolts, albeit longer bolts. We have a brand new J170 and a brand new J230 at YCAB. The new cast crank case is very similar to the old CBC machined ones. The mating surfaces have been machined. They are definitely not one piece units. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Doh its ok I was caught offguard with the impromtu tour..yes it is a split block with 2 blocks back to back now I think about it as it was a quick tour around. Sorry for the confusion. I was so impressed by what I saw....no I am not on those sort of drugs. I found some pics on a older thread..I am reposting them here incase others like me forgot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I must admit though the blocks I saw seemed a lot larger than the 6cyl ones in the pics above for the gen4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 That is the correct photo. They are a two piece housing and they still require through bolts, albeit longer bolts.We have a brand new J170 and a brand new J230 at YCAB. The new cast crank case is very similar to the old CBC machined ones. The mating surfaces have been machined. They are definitely not one piece units. I am bemused at what appears, then, to be a fully externally-machined cast crankcase. An unnecessary expense, surely, for external, non dimensionally-critical or mating surfaces?. Most unusual. I note that the sumps for both the engines on the Jab. web-site remain castings - as they have been since the first ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Found a USA brochure Gen4-brochure.pdf Gen4-brochure.pdf Gen4-brochure.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The castings look really neat..possibly cast in a small vacuum. There was machining on them but mainly flat areas machined and it looked very good but there was a lot of cast still visible and also just cast surface on the inside.. Maybe they hadnt finished them. There were about 10 on a pallet that had been machined and I saw one in the larger VMC. I wish I had pushed now to take some pics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I didnt see any oil pans there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Found a USA brochure Looks great. They should sell like the proverbial, particularly the six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKW Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Looks great. They should sell like the proverbial, particularly the six. The six is particularly smooth. I flew the 230 to Bundi for a scheduled service. The new motors use practically no oil in 25 hrs. The new cast crankcase has the fuel pump set back closer to the flywheel so that it can be removed without first removing number 5 cyl. Cooling fins on the new cylinders are much larger. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreywh Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Unfortunately the inlet tract and carb appears to remains the same, so the mixture distribution may be still compromised , otherwise it seems to be a great leap forward. Lets also hope that the oil resevoir is a little bigger, oh yeah and the rocker bushes have a greater oil flow to them. And that the generator is not the same "on the end of the crank" affair. Oh dear! what am I saying? Ally barrels do not a new engine make..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 fully externally-machined cast crankcase. An unnecessary expense, surely, for external, non dimensionally-critical. Probably sells 20% of their engines, although I don't think this one looks as good as the last. Unfortunately the inlet tract and carb appears to remains the same, so the mixture distribution may be still compromised , Bet the awful combustion chamber is the same as before too. Australia has a couple of the world's best engine guys in the area of chamber, port and manifolds combo. A week with any of them would result in a leap forward in power and cooling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Found a USA brochure Aha, in the photo from the USA brochure, it is obvious ( and stated, can't doubt that!) that they are cast crankcases, very nice castings indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Havent seem a pic yet of 3300 with cast case yet 2200 have cast cases, 3300 do not. Last time I was there, the large stack of broken 3300 were kept to be upgraded to new models - not a bad thing as the old cases rarely had problems other than crook assembly Maybe with CAE gone the urgency has ramped up I was told the sump casting was very expensive and it was updated just a few years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreywh Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Too true, It's a shame they didn't put the cooling ribs on the inside where they belong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Engines - Jabiru Aircraft & Engines Australia updated info for gen4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 "The camshaft is provided by a specialist camshaft manufacturer". Well it's good to know they're not using a hairbrush manufacturer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreywh Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I really hope it's as good as it looks, The overheating problems should now cease. Good Luck Jabiru. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Nothing wrong with the way the first hydraulic engine looked and upgrades sounded good too. Flight time and operating cost will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Australia has a couple of the world's best engine guys in the area of chamber, port and manifolds combo. A week with any of them would result in a leap forward in power and cooling. Bex......More info please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Bex......More info please. All stems from decades of, and the ongoing work on 2 valve Ford, Chev and Chrysler V8s, there a handful of guys who spend their lives devoted to finding more power and efficiency from them and share their work. The last 20 years has seen great jumps with a change of thought away from swirl that has seen leaps forward in HP across the range, and keeps the 2 valve Chev V8 as powerful and as fuel efficient as 4 valve heads. Here is an example from Tony Knight in Adelaide of what he did with a Datsun head that could be partially applied to a Jabiru design .. Incredible Datsun Cylinder Head Redesign - Race Magazine This is completely applicable to a slow revving engine such as the Jab as the physics doesn't change as long as the applicable parameters are met, such as port, valve sizing, manifold shape and lengths etc. and it's very important they are matched. Someone like Tony, other well known guys are mentioned in the article, would comfortably get 5 hp more at 3300 rpm and suddenly the Jab 2200 is a 100HP unit, or the same 80HP but at lower rpms and with better fuel efficiency. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Jabiru, and Rod in particular, takes advice from no one. Would love the experimental market to be big enough for someone to make aftermarket bits, Rotec have a go. There are aome in EU who fit turbo and efi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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