red750 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 EMERGENCY services have confirmed two people have died in a plane crash in Darwin’s rural area. The aircraft, a Cessna 210, was scheduled to land at Darwin Airport. The wings have separated from the body of the aircraft. The wreck is located on Gunn Point Rd, Howard Springs. Police have identified the bodies and are working on contacting next of kin before providing any further details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyG Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Very bad news, Condolences to all involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 EMERGENCY services have confirmed two people have died in a plane crash in Darwin’s rural area.The aircraft, a Cessna 210, was scheduled to land at Darwin Airport. The wings have separated from the body of the aircraft. The wreck is located on Gunn Point Rd, Howard Springs. Police have identified the bodies and are working on contacting next of kin before providing any further details. Any ideam of weather conditions? Turbulence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 " Rain reported. And a down pour soon after emergency services arrived ". Condolences to all involved. Sad news Any ideam of weather conditions? Turbulence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 More reports, photos, video here: Two dead in Darwin light plane crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Always sad to lose fellow aviators in the pursuit of what most of us love doing Condolences to all families and friends of the lost brothers / sisters in this recent accident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I always thought the C210 had a previous reputation for shedding wings many years ago...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I always thought the C210 had a previous reputation for shedding wings many years ago...? Only with excessive G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan_c Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 If we could avoid speculating on the cause of this one until the facts come out, I’m sure at least a couple of members of this forum would appreciate that. Thanks in advance 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 The facts won't come out for a year or more. If it was an RAAus aircraft the facts may never come out. Discussion about an incident, even without the full facts can be useful. If you don't want to read about any speculation it would be best not to log on to the accident forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 The facts won't come out for a year or more. If it was an RAAus aircraft the facts may never come out. Discussion about an incident, even without the full facts can be useful. If you don't want to read about any speculation it would be best not to log on to the accident forum. No, it’s not that useful. Frankly it’s speculation when there are very few facts. Maybe wait and let the ATSB do their job and learn the actual lessons from what happened instead of all the BS that some clowns come up with on here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris SS Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 If we could avoid speculating on the cause of this one until the facts come out, I’m sure at least a couple of members of this forum would appreciate that.Thanks in advance I respect that this tragedy will upset those who have lost a loved one. May you find strength in dealing with your loss. But is this not EXACTLY the right time to have a speculate on all possible causes? With respectful discussion this creates an ideal learning opportunity that will hopefully save a life in future. I, for one, belive that speculation should be encouraged. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 But is this not EXACTLY the right time to have a speculate on all possible causes? With respectful discussion this creates an ideal learning opportunity that will hopefully save a life in future What, with precisely zero facts apart from the fact that two fellow pilots are dead? Sounds like a fantastic time to speculate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan_c Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Discussion isn’t the problem, it’s the inevitable baseless speculation that always rears it’s head from people that are as good as guessing. Facts will come to light, and discussion will be a good thing but until anyone has any remote clue about what happened I was merely requesting future commenters refrain from giving an speculative opinion, that doesn’t help anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kununurra Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris SS Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 What, with precisely zero facts apart from the fact that two fellow pilots are dead? Sounds like a fantastic time to speculate. I believe it most certainly is... We know that the wings and fuselage were found 400m apart. This indicates in flight break up. What are the most likey causes of this? Flutter? Excessive G? Why would this happen? How many newbies understand flutter? How many you g pilots actually understand the perils of full control deflection outside of white arc? Or the graveyard spiral? We suspect that there may have been heavy rain. Was it VFR into IMC? Through dscussion we develop an understanding, and can learn. Waiting for an ATSB report to come out in a year's time.... not nearly as effective. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Your freaking kidding right? Waiting for actual facts to come out after they have been actually been investigated by professionals is not nearly as effective? Maybe we should just hand the investigation over to you Chris, you can have the answers in an hour without even actually gathering a real piece of factual information. We will gain so much insight from this that will be way more valuable than waiting for a professional to do it properly. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris SS Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Nope. No point in asking me to investigate the accident. I'm not a professional. But what I am prepared to do is enter into a discussion on what the risks and repercussions are of our chosen activity. I am NOT scared to have a frank discussion about what COULD HAVE (note.. not DID) possibly go wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Seriously dudes...Get over it. Speculating...discussing...whatever...it has been happening for as long as I have been around aviation...49 years to be precise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I’m glad it’s so easy for (edited..Please watch language, abuse etc in posts... mod) to say get over it, but for the record there are two families that are now going to be spending a lifetime trying to “get over it”. But hey, as long as you guys can have fun pretending you know everything it’s all good right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris SS Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Maybe you're missing the point... it's because I DON'T know everything that I learn. And I question. And sometimes, I can offer advice too. I don't profess to know everything Ian, but I have been flying since before you were born. Let's not make this personal. I'll still be at the local aeroclub asking “so what do you guys think happened?” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Maybe your missing the point.... it was literally only a few hours ago two really decent people died, maybe the speculation doesn’t need to start right now especially while there is zero factual information around and people are trying to live with the knowledge that friends are now gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 What, with precisely zero facts apart from the fact that two fellow pilots are dead? Sounds like a fantastic time to speculate. Investigators start with speculation combined with evidence and scenarios to get a result. I have no issue with it but would tend to avoid speculation of pilot error without facts. A plane crashes with a wing 400 meters away offers reasonable grounds for wing separation speculation. 210 Wing Lower Spar Cap Bulletin Sel-57-01 Revision 1 | Tennessee Aircraft Services, Inc. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Even the other forum isn’t as bad as this, seriously. To avoid further baseless info. Reports I have received are that although there was weather in the area it was isolated and mostly to the NE. The pilot was deviating around it as would be expected. The C210 has no worse record for separating than any other similar airframe that I’m aware of and is negative G that is the issue. Condolences to all involved, this being a small industry these events do effect everyone, whether they knew the pilot, flew the aircraft, worked for the company or just remember being a bright faced, enthusiastic new pilot trying to get a start in what is a tough game at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 are 210s subject to SIDS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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