Phil Perry Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Turboplanner said : Car crashes are no more acceptable than aircraft crashes, but the driver has to meet the criteria for culpable driving. It is also possible to be charged with murder, and one truck driver in NSW found out. I am surprised by that Turbo. . . . However, I do not know the extent of Australian Jurisprudence. In United Kingdom Law, as long as I can remember. . .MURDER can only be levied as a charge when there is a provable INTENT to kill, irrespective of the method, or weapon employed. I believe that the USA have a charge of 'Culpable Homicide' where this Hunter pilot could ( Possibly ? ) have been charged with had the incident occurred there. . . . I reckon that the Hunter pilot will be charged and convicted with 'Multiple Manslaughter' as a result of 'Criminal Negligence' in the operation of an aircraft at a public Display. Him being a 'Specialist' Pilot who should have known better due to his significant experience on type. I would be very surprised, due to the body count, if he does not get sentenced to a custodial period. I'm sure that the 'Media', more than likely driven by pressure from the families of the casualties will insist on this, and the Media seems to 'push' the judiciary in the UK in a lot of cases. That is, when they decide to grab the event and run with it. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Car crashes are no more acceptable than aircraft crashes, but the driver has to meet the criteria for culpable driving. It is also possible to be charged with murder, and one truck driver in NSW found out. I agree completely that road vehicle crashes should be no more acceptable than aircraft crashes, but from what I have seen, magistrates seem to be rather kind to car drivers. (especially older ones)I have seen instances where murder should apply, but I would hazard a guess that at worst it still just be manslaughter at best. By that I mean I have seen drivers do some incredibly dangerous things deliberately, probably not with intent to kill, but clearly there could be no other likely outcome from their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 If you read any international social media,. . . ( Not the MSM of course ) you MAY have noticed that we have a regular thing here in the UK where 'Immigrants' of an unmentionable doctrine, seem to like mounting the pavement whilst driving automobiles,. . .in order to hurt people that they don't like. These 'Incidents' when the media is forced, by too many witnesses, to actually report,. . .the charge is always attempted Manslaughter,. . . where it is fairly obvious that the perpetrator simply wished to mow down a load of people, not particularly bothered whether they were killed or not. Thus is the famous British Justice system being distorted in favour of a minority of nasty buggers who really need shooting. The last joke was the conviction of a young man (23) who left a home made bomb on a tube train in London. The bomb was made from 2.5 Kgs of a very high explosive, and contained within a 10 litre paint bucket. but the guy didn't construct the detonator properly, so the man charge didn't go off. Only 23 people were severely burned in the resulting fireball inside the train carriage. The charge ?. . .'Attempted Murder' the Brit judiciary are terrified of using the 'T' word nowadays. . .bad press for the immigrants and most unfair apparently. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 In United Kingdom Law, as long as I can remember. . .MURDER can only be levied as a charge when there is a provable INTENT to kill, irrespective of the method, or weapon employed. A member of the Victoria Police Highway Task Force old me about the NSW case. What triggered it was, as you say, an intent to kill. The truck driver angry at the world, and told multiple witnesses that he was going to go out and kill someone, and he drove the truck head on into a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I agree completely that road vehicle crashes should be no more acceptable than aircraft crashes, but from what I have seen, magistrates seem to be rather kind to car drivers. (especially older ones)I have seen instances where murder should apply, but I would hazard a guess that at worst it still just be manslaughter at best. By that I mean I have seen drivers do some incredibly dangerous things deliberately, probably not with intent to kill, but clearly there could be no other likely outcome from their actions. You may have seen it, it may have occurred, but the proof standard has to be very high, and the circumstances have to meet the law.The pilot who was charged with manslaughter for killing a child as a result of flying below 500 feet was not convicted. Police drop charges when there's any doubt, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 If you read any international social media,. . . ( Not the MSM of course ) you MAY have noticed that we have a regular thing here in the UK where 'Immigrants' of an unmentionable doctrine, seem to like mounting the pavement whilst driving automobiles,. . .in order to hurt people that they don't like. These 'Incidents' when the media is forced, by too many witnesses, to actually report,. . .the charge is always attempted Manslaughter,. . . where it is fairly obvious that the perpetrator simply wished to mow down a load of people, not particularly bothered whether they were killed or not. Thus is the famous British Justice system being distorted in favour of a minority of nasty buggers who really need shooting. The last joke was the conviction of a young man (23) who left a home made bomb on a tube train in London. The bomb was made from 2.5 Kgs of a very high explosive, and contained within a 10 litre paint bucket. but the guy didn't construct the detonator properly, so the man charge didn't go off. Only 23 people were severely burned in the resulting fireball inside the train carriage. The charge ?. . .'Attempted Murder' the Brit judiciary are terrified of using the 'T' word nowadays. . .bad press for the immigrants and most unfair apparently. . . . We have much the same situation in Australia. Those of us who live in countries of anglo-saxon history have the protection of the Magna Carta, the "reasonable man" test (although he's not on the Clapham bus in Australia, the "presumption of innocence" (although that has been reversed in the case of speed cameras, and you'll cop a conviction even if you just own the car if the driver can't be found), and a belief system of "fair play" (shared by most crooks). The legal system which reflects all that, just doesn't fit for some races, and they are currently taking advantage of our softness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 BP, pirates didn't have one eye' they covered one eye in the bright sunlight so that when they went below deck into the dark they could switch the patch and not have to wait till their eyes adjusted to the lower light. I saw it on QI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 We have much the same situation in Australia. Those of us who live in countries of anglo-saxon history have the protection of the Magna Carta, the "reasonable man" test (although he's not on the Clapham bus in Australia, the "presumption of innocence" (although that has been reversed in the case of speed cameras, and you'll cop a conviction even if you just own the car if the driver can't be found), and a belief system of "fair play" (shared by most crooks). The legal system which reflects all that, just doesn't fit for some races, and they are currently taking advantage of our softness. AND it is all becoming steadily worse Turbo. . . the clampdown on ay kind of 'FREE SPEECH' is very noticable. We are not allowed now, apparently to criticize anyone who is an immigrant into this country, yet we are forced, as taxpayers to support them financially whilst many of our military veterans ( Treated like Scum ) are reduced to sleeping on the streets and begging for food when we are completely aware that someone who cannot even write their own name in their OWN language, let alone speak and write in English, are a protected species, even though their chances of gainful employment are less than zero due to the aforementioned.. Not only this,. . .'They' appear to have an attitude whereby they seem to think that WE owe them a living. . . and should accommodate their 4 wives plus benefits and their Sharia law system. . . .. very odd state of affairs really, but wholly supported by our government. We are being replaced as an indiginous people. And we are not allowed under threat of imprisonment, as criticism is deemed 'HATE SPEECH' to question the status quo. This will not end well. Where is the next Oliver Cromwell I wonder ? ? ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Who wanted to blow up parliament house? Guy someone? Probably the way to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaba-who Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 BP, pirates didn't have one eye' they covered one eye in the bright sunlight so that when they went below deck into the dark they could switch the patch and not have to wait till their eyes adjusted to the lower light. I saw it on QI! Must be true then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boleropilot Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 see, I told you pirates are smart - if only they hadn't shuffled off those mortal coils there'd be no global warming now... of course the tiny little negative to that is when one looks over ones shoulder whilst enjoying a leisurely sail on Sydney Harbour, one notices one is being overtaken by the Black Pearl and seeing red750 is also such a smarty pants, maybe he can elucidate on the reason they had a parrot on their shoulder....hmm??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 seeing red750 is also such a smarty pants, maybe he can elucidate on the reason they had a parrot on their shoulder....hmm??? To pick the crumbs out of their beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddles_7 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 It was predetermined that those 11 people would die even before their births. A bit way out there for many of you, but we're all here for a special purpose. This tragic event might have been for the pilot to learn some-thing from his present incarnation. Hey Deskpilot Interesting quote, however in the words of the late Stephen Hawking... "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." Cheers Puddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boleropilot Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I'm hoping to come back as one of our corgis - cuddle, eat, sleep, chase something, wrestle, eat, drink, hurt foot, go to puppy doctor. mummy/daddy pay $250 to fix foot, poo, wee, sleep on daddy/mummy bed, repeat..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I'm not afraid of dying because I am a Pastafarian - and in Pastafarian Heaven, there is a stripper factory and a beer volcano...and in the good old U S of A, this religion is seen by some very knowledgeable persons as having as much credence as any other religionit even has it's own legalised headdress - a colander - which can legally be worn during official guvment picture taking of individuals, e.g. passport and drivers licence this religion is based on fact - since the reduction in the number of pirates (real pirates, peg-legged blokes with one eye and a parrot on their shoulder) there has been an increase in global warming = Fact !!!!! in the Pastafarian Bible they show a graph with these two lines, one going up and one going down - it is irrefutable !!! therefore, if we want to reduce global warming, we need to get more pirates - Pastafarians reckon that even talking like a pirate might help, so we do so at every opportunity aarrgghhh me hearties !!!!!!!!! and now I'm off to check the back yard for Easter Eggs !!! Wish me luck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're just scared of the spaghetti monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boleropilot Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 nah not really m8, I feel I have been touched by His noodly appendages and since then my appetite for pasta meals has increased considerably I even went out and bought a pasta making machine - haven't tried the colander on the head in public trick yet I suspect that when I do I will hear other devotees shouting encouragement, e.g. aarrgghhh me hearties !!!!! my wench tells me that I will no doubt hear other shouts as well, e.g. ya fkn idjet !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nunans Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 ah Marty - how lovely to hear from another devotee...avast ye scurvy dog, and may the stripper factory be working at maximum output when ye get to Heaven aarrgghhh BP A-hoy me hartee'sI've read that hell also has strippers and a beer volcano...... But the beer is warm and flat, and the strippers are old, with missing teeth and have venereal diseases. Sounds a bit like Sydneys western suburbs to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Sailors (officers mainly) used to go blind from using the primitive sextants they had in those days. They used to get a split view of the sun and horizon, and around noon they would be looking often to get the highest sun-angle of the day. I dunno if pirates used sextants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabarte Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Was it a case of an unplanned manoeuvre in a moment of ego ? It s often the last moment unplanned stunt that catches one out. I saw a sailplane pilot do a low beat up , in the last moment he decided he had enough speed to pull a loop. Pull he did, too much in the initial, so ended up with no round out altitude. He was lucky. Broke the sailplane and his ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 The same thing happened at Alice Springs. The pilot thought he was going to die. In hindsight he could have rolled at the top like Nev says, but he didn't. On impact with the ground, both wingtips contacted the ground so hard that the gel-coat was popped of the wing tops near the tips . The pilot was stunned by the impact, but came to at 150 ft in a still-flying glider . The glider and pilot flew again, although they both needed some repairs. Thinking about the roll, they were prohibited in this type ( Glasflugel Mosquito ), so he had to continue with the loop huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awqward Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Thinking about the roll, they were prohibited in this type ( Glasflugel Mosquito ), so he had to continue with the loop huh. Huh indeed...Slamming it into the ground is probably prohibited too! ;-) Good use of ground-effect though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I'm not afraid of dying because I am a Pastafarian - and in Pastafarian Heaven, there is a stripper factory and a beer volcano...and in the good old U S of A, this religion is seen by some very knowledgeable persons as having as much credence as any other religionit even has it's own legalised headdress - a colander - which can legally be worn during official guvment picture taking of individuals, e.g. passport and drivers licence this religion is based on fact - since the reduction in the number of pirates (real pirates, peg-legged blokes with one eye and a parrot on their shoulder) there has been an increase in global warming = Fact !!!!! in the Pastafarian Bible they show a graph with these two lines, one going up and one going down - it is irrefutable !!! therefore, if we want to reduce global warming, we need to get more pirates - Pastafarians reckon that even talking like a pirate might help, so we do so at every opportunity aarrgghhh me hearties !!!!!!!!! and now I'm off to check the back yard for Easter Eggs !!! Wish me luck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ramen brother. Ramen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 There was nothing in the handbook to that effect Auqward... hey what flying is permitted in Dubai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awqward Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 There was nothing in the handbook to that effect Auqward... hey what flying is permitted in Dubai? Jazirah Aviation Club I used to fly c172S from Umm al Quwain but they shut that down a few years ago...so for private flying it’s just LSA and Microlights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On the topic of fling show restrictions - Avweb may have reported it slightly incorrectly. As I understand, all flight manouvres (sp?) have to be performed in the flight line, parallel to the crowd, etc. However, they have to be performed over the sea for delta/swept wing vintage jets, and there cannot be planned sea-based events and the normal amount of sea-going activities in the vicinity has to be less than some formula. The airshow management have to do extensive risk assessments as well. Deta/swept wing vintage jets are allowed to do flypasts and associated positioning manouvres over land along the flight line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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