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On 23/04/2021 at 5:41 PM, Jabiru7252 said:

On page 71 in the latest sport pilot magazine the specs for the Ekolot Sports states that it has an endurance of 6.5 hours. With 135 litres fuel capacity (I'll assume all usable) at 15L per hour I get 9 hours endurance. Please show me where I'm wrong.

I get approximately 7.5hrs. 

135- fixed reserved-10% Variable Reserve

 

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reserve plays no part in the calculation. 135L at 15L/hr = 9hrs. The magazine article is flawed.

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It can be quoted either way. Fuel to  exhaustion is not of much practical value. Either way it should be made clear to the reader, what conditions are used to arrive at their figures.. Nev

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The performance charts from Rotax show 20 litres per hour at 5000 rpm or 75% power. The cruise speed quoted would be at this power setting at least.  So I get 6 hours plus reserve in the real world, yes the aircraft could loiter for much longer.

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I have always wondered what happens to GA pilots who fly into Aus in their own machines? Do they need to get an ASIC? If not, isn't that a bit of a loop-hole. I am sure there are N registered machines in Aus, and with my FAA PPL, flying an N reg and not resident in Aus, it would seem a little loophole - but it is likely the foreign pilot is going to be the one who is more likely to be a threat, surely? But even so, the 60 year old coming over to do some GA flying is not really going to be a threat, either.

 

I htink it is fair to say the UK (particularly London) is at far more risk of a terrorist attack than anywhere in Australia..  We have about 10 or so major training airfields in the counties surrounding London, each about 10 minutes to get to London... The thought of a security clearance for the pilots even made the CAA laugh...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

The thought of a security clearance for the pilots even made the CAA laugh...

 

ASICs - a laugh at regional airfields. Kids can fly from the age of 15 but cannot get an ASIC until 18. Curtis Cheng was shot and killed in a terrorist act in 2015 in a Parramatta street. Curtis was killed by a 15yo scumbag. In the past almost 20 years what has been achieved in that context. As has been raised over and over, they are a political gesture. 

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1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I have always wondered what happens to GA pilots who fly into Aus in their own machines? Do they need to get an ASIC? If not, isn't that a bit of a loop-hole. I am sure there are N registered machines in Aus, and with my FAA PPL, flying an N reg and not resident in Aus, it would seem a little loophole - but it is likely the foreign pilot is going to be the one who is more likely to be a threat, surely? But even so, the 60 year old coming over to do some GA flying is not really going to be a threat, either.

 

I htink it is fair to say the UK (particularly London) is at far more risk of a terrorist attack than anywhere in Australia..  We have about 10 or so major training airfields in the counties surrounding London, each about 10 minutes to get to London... The thought of a security clearance for the pilots even made the CAA laugh...

 

 

Indeed.  When a volcano stopped play for big bus like planes we had great fun popping out from Stoke Kent to visit all sorts of places.  And truth be told we could see the millennium dome in our circuit at 600’agl and could potter up the Thames below any radar ... the new year when we flew into city airport and landed was fun and proved we were invisible ... had to turn on transponders for them to find us and they were looking for us from the QE2 bridge at Dartford and didn’t actually see us till we got to the dome and turned in to land.  ASIC is a joke.  The industry knows it and even Govt departments know it but can’t say.  And politicians can’t do anything after it’s been put in due to security.  I just avoid the offending airports or just demand an escort as it required to be provided.  

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Getting back to topic, on my next trip to Aus (hopefully not too distant future - could use a forced 2 week break), I will be begrudgingly applying for my ASIC..

 

The reality, it has spawned a cottage industry of companies that handle the applications - and the CFI at the RVAC is certified to certify docs as originals, etc., so it looks to be a seemless process. But, because of the cottage industry, even if the guvmint wanted to get rid of it, they will find it difficult as whole businesses and employment have popped up as a result.

 

I agree it should be fought at every opportunity, but as it will probably cost more votes to get rid of it than it will attract, I can't see it happening anytime soon (of course, when I get back to Aus, if you vote me in a PM and I stay for 2 terms to get the cushy pension and benefits, in addition to being a PM, then I will promise to look into it for you ;-))

 

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typos I found were fixed..
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Jerry, I'm sure you'd make a great "gynaecological politician" - always promising to "look into it". :cheezy grin:

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ASIC...to me a nothing more than revenue generation. Recently needed to re-new mine, in case the guy doing my CPL flight revue asked to see it. So this is what happened, when I applied, the organisation issuing the ASIC said that according to my current situation, not actively flying daily and going to secure airports....I didn’t need one. The argument about BFR and CASA requiring one for licences pilots, fell on deaf ears. I had to ask the company to write a letter, which they questioned for the same reason, they had no requirement for me to have an ASIC. All we need is a slight change to the GA licence format. All that would be needed, is for your to produce on request, your licence which should have your recent photograph in it, along with your aircrew reference number (ARN) and that will be just as good as the “big red card”.  Like I said, it’s yet another tax.

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And another thing, it does seem to me, the VAST majority of pilots think ASIC is a waste of time.....that a valid current official licence document would be as good....and yet....nothing changes. Yep old Bin Ladin must have gone on this forum occasionally, read this post and had a good chuckle at all the trouble he caused.

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We are a minority that doesn't count . Not enough votes to affect anything. it was only instigated to "appear" to be doing something. Nev

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We are the minority alright. There are 195 sovereign states in the world and Australia is the only one that requires anything like an ASIC card It has spawned its own industry with government removing the right for RA-Aus & CASA to issue them, not that they wanted to in the first place.

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You don't need an ASIC for GA, but if you don't have one you need an MSIC I think it is called. A grey card which costs less. That is so you can be recognised. I used to have a PPL with my photo on it in pre ASIC days. It does cause a need for more bureaucrats and also raises money, plus the government considers anything which adds to GDP is good. Such things as more prison spending or cleaning up rubbish, even more people engaged in road traffic control are good for government.

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It’s just another tax m’boy, just another tax! 🧐

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22 hours ago, Yenn said:

You don't need an ASIC for GA, but if you don't have one you need an MSIC I think it is called. A grey card which costs less. That is so you can be recognised. I used to have a PPL with my photo on it in pre ASIC days. It does cause a need for more bureaucrats and also raises money, plus the government considers anything which adds to GDP is good. Such things as more prison spending or cleaning up rubbish, even more people engaged in road traffic control are good for government.

Your're right in that a private/GA pilot doesn't technically need an ASIC card - I think the minimum is the AVID, which is a lower level background check and lasts for 5 years? The MSIC I thinkis for yachties..

 

But, as a GA pilot that would be flying into security controlled airfields such as Moorabbin, Bankstown, Parafield, and hopefully Jandakot - as well as the obligatory Birdsville (where I am told there is one bloke who is anal about ASIC card), it will be a ball-ache to try to arrange for an airport official with a red card to meet me, and of course, if I am running latet (rarely early), it will be a pain.

 

Of course, when I get back to Aus, I would go rec flying as crossing international boundaries isn't really going to be an issue... For me it will be controlled airspace - My IMC Rating won't be valid in Aus, and I doubt I will be bothered douing a full IR (plus as one gets older, they want their flying to be more leisurely).

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Skippy, why? why? Because in the renewal I am asked to provide exactly the same information as I provided the last four times ai renewed my ASIC! This includes producing the same birth certificate, passport drivers licence, addresses as before! And this is supposed to be the digital age?

 

All that should be required is a new photo, updated address and a declaration on one half page

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The words ‘logic’ and ‘commonsense’ were deleted from all Govt Dept dictionaries 🙂

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14 hours ago, walrus said:

Skippy, why? why? Because in the renewal I am asked to provide exactly the same information as I provided the last four times ai renewed my ASIC! This includes producing the same birth certificate, passport drivers licence, addresses as before! And this is supposed to be the digital age?

 

All that should be required is a new photo, updated address and a declaration on one half page

Walrus me old kipper; I have yet to hear a single pilot support the ASIC system, when/where applied to regional (security controlled) airports/fields. Logic would suggest, that if no one supports the system, no one should apply for an ASIC.

 

Australians are not the most demonstrative democratic people on earth (that's probably the French) but one thing we do well,  is just ignore ridiculous laws/rules.

 

With a few exceptions (no personal experience of the exceptions) it would seem that most regional security controlled airfields have allowed the ASIC to slip into redundancy (see above comment).

 

Reason would then suggest that your tasset support (applying for a renewal and funding the system through  financial contribution) of the ASIC is 1. without peer support 2. functional application, therefore 3. without merit.

 

So I return to the question WHY?????

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