jackc Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, turboplanner said: Yes they are; they all say they are not going to pay the fines but the perpetrators go on number plate recognition so are easily caught up with by the Sheriffs who can move intop a house take all the valuables and sell them. You wouldn't really want to be declared a bankrupt. Most of them are probably welfare recipients, share rental houses with like minded people, may not have a car and do not care. Get food from Food Bank on the cheap. Even a bankrupt can own a car to a certain value. The whole thing could be a loss to the taxpayer……putting them in jail comes in at around $1500 per week, each. They win……we lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillmanr Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Where has the ignore button gone? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 The same economic reasons are why they don,t have insurance. Their possessions are not worth the insurance premiums !. $ 500 car and the insurance is $ 1,000, if that baliff takes their car it,s replaced by another peice of junk. Living in a state house, means they can,t loose a lot, don,t you think. Only a few of my extended family could afford to own their own home. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Anyway…….I have run out of f’s to give, probably got 10 years to EOL with plenty to keep me happy and busy 🙂 COVID wars can rage on all they like, Keep up to date via NEJM and that will be good enough for me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) Be aware that if you have an unpaid fine, your car registration won’t renew. Neither will you be travelling overseas. Nor ever getting a Government job. Nor will they ever get a pilots licence or any other licence. There is a “hard core” of protesters who don’t care what the protest issue is; they just want a chance to punch on with Police. The first time a protester is arrested and charged, it is under the public health Act. The protester will be bailed pretty much automatically. If they turn up again at a protest, it is an offence under the Bail Act - they are reoffending, the Magistrate now gives them three months in the slammer. A little bird told me that is what is now happening to these richard craniums. Edited August 21, 2021 by walrus 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Does not matter to protesters, chances of going to jail are slim on average, NO vacancy signs up at most jails. IF they are denied a place in society, no jobs, no accomodation to rent, no food no car……..they just tun to crime and the citizens suffer. Commit crimes and get caught, no biggie as they get free board and lodgings and the University of Crime where they get a Phd in thieving, what ever they want, and probably count in some RPL too 🙂 AND the taxpayer pays $1500 per week each, to ‘train’ them, Go to jail and do a ‘trade’ you won’t look back, if you are a ‘poor’ tradesman you will get to move back ‘home’ for some more training 🙂. Anyone for a Masters Degree in bank robberies? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, jackc said: Does not matter to protesters, chances of going to jail are slim on average, NO vacancy signs up at most jails. IF they are denied a place in society, no jobs, no accomodation to rent, no food no car……..they just tun to crime and the citizens suffer. Commit crimes and get caught, no biggie as they get free board and lodgings and the University of Crime where they get a Phd in thieving, what ever they want, and probably count in some RPL too 🙂 AND the taxpayer pays $1500 per week each, to ‘train’ them, Go to jail and do a ‘trade’ you won’t look back, if you are a ‘poor’ tradesman you will get to move back ‘home’ for some more training 🙂. Anyone for a Masters Degree in bank robberies? This river of philosophy is all very interesting but perhaps you should have looked at the footage of the people, they way they acted, the way they were dressed, the husbands and wives with children, one couple showing their tear-gassed some aged about nine dragged along for some brain-washing, what they said and what it was about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 They all have friends and relatives of similar ilk…… Good training for the kids to help them become rejects of society….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Whilst I don't condone their behaviour as it just costs more money & ties up our already weak corrupt judicial system their actions does show that civil unrest will be with us for a long time whilst the lunatics in charge spread the fear & tyranny! We are just another animal species and caging us will bring reprisals! The national anthem will need to be changed..."young & free" no longer applies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Flightrite said: Whilst I don't condone their behaviour as it just costs more money & ties up our already weak corrupt judicial system their actions does show that civil unrest will be with us for a long time whilst the lunatics in charge spread the fear & tyranny! We are just another animal species and caging us will bring reprisals! The national anthem will need to be changed..."young & free" no longer applies! Any possibility of getting an explanation of how the epidemiologists charged with getting this pandemic under control have become lunatics? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, Flightrite said: Whilst I don't condone their behaviour as it just costs more money & ties up our already weak corrupt judicial system their actions does show that civil unrest will be with us for a long time whilst the lunatics in charge spread the fear & tyranny! We are just another animal species and caging us will bring reprisals! The national anthem will need to be changed..."young & free" no longer applies! Alright Flightrite, you seem to have all the answers, what is your solution to all this - let everyone run amok? (Defined in the Cambridge English Dictionary as "to be out of control and act in a wild or dangerous manner". What is that going to solve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I quote the Movie “Soylent Green”. We just need to move its date forward a bit…… But it’s coming……. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 S+G.mp4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 A society without any rules.? How does that work? Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, jackc said: I quote the Movie “Soylent Green”. We just need to move its date forward a bit…… But it’s coming……. They had to provide an outlet for all the people who had to stop eating their dinner in their nuclear bunker when the Cold War stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, facthunter said: A society without any rules.? How does that work? Nev It finds it’s own levels of disaster, what ever that ends up being….. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 This article from Australia's best news outlet is probably close to the mark. The lock down would not be effecting many on recflying since we all seem to be retired or self employed or have jobs that can be done from home or jobs that we can still legally go to. https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/melbourne-does-same-thing-sydney-did-after-6-weeks-in-lockdown-with-fuck-all-financial-support/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 The article mentions cab drivers.Another group left out in the cold are school crossing supervisors. Most are pensioners trying to suppliment their grossly inadequate pension. They work 45 minutes in the morning and again in the afternoon, whether it's boiling hot or pouring rain. That totals 7.5 hours per week. The Gov't support payment kicks in if you have lost 8 hours work per week. Their essential service is required to protect children (and adults) from the peak traffic, but are not eligible for compensation because the schools are closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 The article is in the Betoota Advocate, a satire newpaper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdun Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Here is a screen shot of the ‘freedom March’ in Guyra NSW. Seems appropriate. We need to be very cautious about civil unrest, particularly when it is formented, in part, by government ministers’ whistling to neo-fascists. There is growing concern in senior constitutional lawyers that our current federal government are consistently testing the limits of Executive power, and this is particularly in relation of using the military for domestic civil issues. My understanding is that currently the military can only be sent in on the request of a State govt and the military must be under the direction of State officials (ie. not their usual chain of command)....but this is a practice untested in courts. We even had the recent spectacle of Morrison having the Cth side with that Qld nutter Clive Palmer in the High Court to overturn WA emergency border controls. Of-course, there is also the increasing practice of putting uniformed military throughout the federal public service. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Markdun said: There is growing concern in senior constitutional lawyers that our current federal government are consistently testing the limits of Executive power, and this is particularly in relation of using the military for domestic civil issues. Who are these "senior" (whatever that means) constitutional lawyers? There are only a few thousand precedents of using the military for domestic civil issues, and they've been welcomed by millions of Australians since 1901. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, turboplanner said: The article is in the Betoota Advocate, a satire newpaper. Exactly, that's why it is pretty close to the mark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdun Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 hours ago, turboplanner said: Who are these "senior" (whatever that means) constitutional lawyers? There are only a few thousand precedents of using the military for domestic civil issues, and they've been welcomed by millions of Australians since 1901. There aren’t a lot of them in Australia. Try Anne Twomey, or George Williams, or go to some recent online seminars on the topic. Even read some reports by the Parliamentary library for example on the unlawful/unconstitutional expenditure of public funds by the federal government. You are just plain wrong on the military being used in thousands of civil matters, unless you include the S&R actions...which is under the direction of State authorities (declaration...I was once ‘rescued’ by a naval helicopter as a teen bushwalker caught in floods. The oPeration was under the control and direction of NSW police. I have since been a rescuer on military helicopters a few times...also under direction of the police...and the military were, by a large degree, far more competent than their police controllers). The issue isn’t the use of the military per se, nor the competence of the military, but the use of the military against civil law. The police are subject to a range of limitations on their powers (and there are cases where these are breached). But it is a different matter for the military whose chain of command is through their commanding officers and their commander in chief, the Governor-General. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillmanr Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) This is a matter of who is the control authority. For searches and order, the police, for fires the state/local fire authority. Other services cooperate under the control authority. This can vary according to need across states and regions. Edited August 22, 2021 by tillmanr Syntax 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 markdum I know it,s history, But, were did the 1924 coal miners stike murders by the English army, Have legal libility . Unarmed civilians against armed soldiers, by parliamentary order. Was it legal. ? spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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