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(Some might not say it's a progression, but...)

 

 

Once you have your minimum of 20 hours, and obtain your RA Licence, the next step is to get a passenger endorsement, right? This allows you to carry passengers? (The plural means, if the MTOW was increased, and you, your fuel, the plane and > 1 passenger will still < MTOW, is that legal, or is it ONE passenger?)

 

 

OK, so you get that, then do your cross country. At this stage, can you fly Brisbane to Perth if you wanted to, or is there a limitation as to how far you can go still?

 

 

Let’s say you got all this done is 35 hours. (Possible!?)

 

 

Now you decide you want to go for your PPL. I assume you now have to do a number of hours in a GA registered aircraft? How many hours would this be? I assume it has to be your RA hours + x number of hours in GA = y? What would y be?

 

 

And finally, do you need to have a CPL + Instructors to be a RA Instructor? What's the requirements to do RA instruction?

 

 

Thanks guys,

 

 

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Hi Craig,

 

1 passenger only as per RA-Aus regs...given aircraft limitation on 2 seats only...and one should probably contain a pilot. PAX endorsement is normally a one hour lesson (give or take), essentially the focus is on ensuring your passenger is familiar with the operation of doors, seat belts etc., made aware of controls and not to interfere with them etc.

 

Regarding the cross country endorsement, once completed you're free to roam the country as you please...well, outside controlled airspace at least...until you get that endorsement.

 

On the conversion / progression to PPL, there's a few other threads where this has been covered but it essentially involves an aircraft endorsement (for single engine aeroplane up to 5700KG - normally something like a C172, Warrior). All hours you have accumulated in RA aircraft count towards the "minimum hours" requirements for PPL. Other things you'll do for PPL are nav flights as RA-Aus Cross Country endorsement is not recognised (well wasn't when I did my conversion) as well as controlled airspace plus PPL theory exams.

 

On instructing - the two are mutually exlusive. A GA instructor requires CPL+Instructor Rating, an RA-Aus instructor requires an RA-Aus Instructor Rating.

 

Hopefully that about covers most of it. If not, as mentioned there are a few threads where most of this has been discussed before.

 

Cheers,

 

Matt

 

 

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Guest Elk McPherson

Instructor ratings

 

Not exactly mutually exclusive - you CAN hold both RAAus and VH instructor ratings simultaneously. I was granted a RAAus Senior Instructor rating on the strength of my VH- Grade 2 rating... and a bit later I used 500 hours of RAAus instructing towards the hours required for VH- Grade 1 (and yes I have a letter from CASA approving it).

 

As a RAAus-trained pilot I think you need to pass the PPL exam before you can train as a RAAus instructor. Check the ops manual Section 2-point-something for the experience and quals required for an Instructor.

 

Yes, to be a VH instructor you require a CPL.

 

Converting to a PPL

 

1. Find a good GA school that understands RAAus - many don't 031_loopy.gif.e6c12871a67563904dadc7a0d20945bf.gif

 

2. You will need a student licence and a security check - $235

 

3. You will need a Class 2 Medical certificate - $170

 

4. You need a minimum of 40 hours total time, minimum 10 hours in command, minimum 2 hours of Basic Instrument Flying training, and at least one solo cross-country of more than 300nm.

 

5. You will need to pass the Pre-solo, pre-first-solo, BAK and PPL exams :hittinghead:

 

6. You will need to do the PPL flight test, AND demonstrate all the same things you did for your pilot certificate test (including passenger-carrying skills as described by Matt, above).

 

...THEN you'll be a PPL! 098_welcome.gif.81ff07d492568199326e4f64f78d7bc6.gif

 

Simple, isn't it? 087_sorry.gif.8f9ce404ad3aa941b2729edb25b7c714.gif

 

 

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Guest airsick

As an aside...

 

If you are planning on doing your PPL at some point then it may be worthwhile doing the PPL theory exams. These are recognised by RAA and will be suitable for your pilot certificate so you kill two birds with one stone doing this.

 

 

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Thanks Elk and Matt.

 

Looks like you need to jump the hoops to get from RA to PPL! :ah_oh:

 

In hours, if you have, say... 40 hours in an RA registered aircraft, and want to do your PPL, there is a minimum number of hours in a GA registsred plane though, right?

 

 

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As an aside...If you are planning on doing your PPL at some point then it may be worthwhile doing the PPL theory exams. These are recognised by RAA and will be suitable for your pilot certificate so you kill two birds with one stone doing this.

Thanks AS.

 

At the moment, I'm gonna get my RA behind me. Although... I do plan on being able to fly with > 1 passanger, so the PPL is the only option after RA I guess. But I think for now, I'm going to sort the RA stuff first, and then see how things go. I'm on the BAK book about engine and stuff. Didn't know I had to learn how an engine worked! :ah_oh:, but it's interesting stuff. I'm only on page 45 or something of the red book, and the real basic stuff is over, and .. I'm neededing to re-read a few lines to get it into my head! :)

 

Also, there has just been a section on conversion rates. Volumes and wights. Do I need to learn all the conversion rates?! :raise_eyebrow:

 

There was a 'ball park' section just after listing the conversion rates... which had a much simplied list of how to quickly convert AVGAS litres to lb, and stuff like that.. I'm hoping most people know that, and now the hardcore exact measurements. I mean, in real life... nothing wrong with a calculator and a 'crib sheet', no? 025_blush.gif.9304aaf8465a2b6ab5171f41c5565775.gif

 

And, on an off topic comment - why on earth don't they just measure fuel in litres? Why the conversion? And.. some meaurements are metric... some are not. Why no standard? Surely with the mismatch of all these volumes/distance etc... it's a potential failure point? (That is, a wrong calculation is more possible).

 

 

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Guest airsick
Also, there has just been a section on conversion rates. Volumes and wights. Do I need to learn all the conversion rates?! :raise_eyebrow:

Yes, but you don't need to memorise them. There is a cheat sheet in the ERSA so you can look up the conversion rates when you need them.

 

And, on an off topic comment - why on earth don't they just measure fuel in litres? Why the conversion? And.. some meaurements are metric... some are not. Why no standard? Surely with the mismatch of all these volumes/distance etc... it's a potential failure point? (That is, a wrong calculation is more possible).

You pump fuel in litres at the bowsers but do your weight and balance in kilograms or pounds. Why not all metric or all imperial? Some aircraft are made in the US, some in Europe, some here and others from elsewhere. Different places use different measurement standards so it is important to be able to convert litres from our bowsers into kilograms for your local aircraft weight and balance or pounds for a US aircraft and so on.

 

 

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Hours req'd

 

There are no minimum VH hours in the Regs if you are converting from RAAus

 

CAR 5-point-something requires 40 hours for a PPL (as described above) of which 40 hours can be flown in a Group A (ie: conventional 3-axis controls, Aileron/Rudder/Elevator) Ultralight.

 

Best case scenario:

 

Let's say you have done all your RAAus training on a Jab:

 

IF all your RAAus flying in the Jab happens to align with the requirements of the PPL...

 

...all you will need to do is 2 hours of Basic Instrument flying (can't do that in RAAus or a RAAus reg aircraft) and do a Test Recommendation flight with the CFI.

 

Ideally, if you are clever, you would be able to do your PPL test in a VH- Jab so you don't need to do time to get familiar with type.

 

 

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No pre-solo or pre-first-sold or BAK are required for PPL if converting from RA-Aus. One exam, the PPL theory exam covers you for everything. If you could get this out of the way early you can avoid your RA-Aus BAK exam.

 

There is also no requirement to go solo in GA before obtaining your PPL, so the fastest way is to have your RA-Aus with Cross Country, do the PPL exam and walk into a PPL without wasting GA solo time and cost and as last poster says if you can do it in the same machine in VH reg it all happens much easier!

 

 

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By "mutually exclusive" I meant that one has no impact on the other with respect to recognition of qualifications.

 

Cheers,

 

Matt....who appears to be logged on as Kaz 031_loopy.gif.e6c12871a67563904dadc7a0d20945bf.gif

 

 

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Let’s say you got all this done is 35 hours. (Possible!?)

I believe you should be able to do it in 30. Certificate is 20 hours of which 5 hours solo. These 5 hours count as PIC time for your PAX endorsement. Then you have to do 10 hours x-country, of which 2 hours MINIMUM solo. But there is no minimum dual time for this, so you could end up doing only 5 dual and the rest solo. Those 5 hours would also count so you get your XC and PAX endorsements at the same time.

Of course few people manage to do it that efficiently! I won't make it for one; I have 13 hours now but haven't soloed yet. (mostly because the Sportstar was out of action and the last 4 hours were in a VH a/c which count as experience but I could not solo without SPL and even if I had one they would not count as RA-Aus solo hours)

 

But the Sportstar is back in business now and I going flying again on Sunday, woohoo!

 

 

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By "mutually exclusive" I meant that one has no impact on the other with respect to recognition of qualifications.Cheers,

 

Matt....who appears to be logged on as Kaz 031_loopy.gif.e6c12871a67563904dadc7a0d20945bf.gif

Are you playing dress ups again Matt? 006_laugh.gif.0f7b82c13a0ec29502c5fb56c616f069.gif

 

 

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