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Here's some various footage of the Moscow Superjet crash. Page opens with one video playing; click the X at top right of the Twitter page to access the other videos. It does quite a bounce before hitting the runway.

 

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it was properly on fire by the time they landed

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Poor buggers, a lot of people on there didn't stand a chance. Did anyone notice how long it took them to get to the aircraft with the fire trucks?

In any other airport, with an emergency landing declared, I would have expected the fire trucks to be hovering and right on the scene within seconds of the aircraft stopping sliding.

 

There's also the question to be answered of why the pilots didn't dump fuel, seeing as the aircraft was still flyable?

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Also the same old problem of people ignoring the directions of the cabin crew. A lot of those who escaped had their luggage from overhead lockers in hand. A lot of the 41 people who perished might have survived otherwise.

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After a disaster like that passengers in possession of carry-on baggage should be prosecuted! Don’t know what avionics problems they were having but it was a diabolically bad landing from a professional airliner crew.

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You don't know why the plane returned for landing. The impact shown there would be enough to cause injuries. (It was Bloody hard) and that damage seems to have caused the fire . They could have had a control difficulty. Professionals don't do that kind of landing intentionally. Nev

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It does seem like the crash definitely caused the fire and ruptured at least one fuel tank. When the tail smacks the tarmac after the bounce there is a shower of sparks & then fire. Passenger video shows a long river of fire as the aircraft stops

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Can’t agree there FT - doesn’t look like it on the video. No fire till the impact of the bounce.

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That's the impact I'm talking about. The first contact was nothing by comparison. Nev

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I only saw this video, I assume that its been cut a fair bit

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According to one of the stewardesses, they were 10 minutes out when they hit heavy hail and heard a loud bang and were hit by lightning. The pilots announced a turnback and also had some communications problems after that.

 

They had one attempt at landing and crashed on the second. According to the pilot, he had no choice but to land with a full fuel load. He's also said that his airspeed on the second approach was good, and there was no fire onboard before landing.

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There's also the question to be answered of why the pilots didn't dump fuel, seeing as the aircraft was still flyable?

I read somewhere that they were over Moscow and had lost communication with tower, so the pilot made the decision that it was too dangerous to dump the fuel.

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That's quite possible Marty. You dump clear of other traffic and you'd need comms to arrange that. Nev

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Well, the aircraft was still flyable, so why wouldn't the pilots move away from the city area and dump fuel? Landing with what appears to be a barely controllable aircraft, and full fuel tanks seems like a perfect recipe for a disaster to me.

It's not just the fuel risk, it's the landing which would possibly be overweight, that would make the landing doubly risky, due to potential undercarriage failure.

All the indications to me, are that the PIC and his offsider made some pretty bad decisions. Even the control of the evacuation seems to have been badly managed.

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I'm nor sure I'd like to be dumping fuel in a electrical storm. Landing overweight only requires an inspection if the landing was heavier than normal. A lot of smaller jets don't even have a dump system if the max landing weight is not far below max AUW. Sometimes the higher landing weight affects what final flap setting you can use so you might run up against a runway length limitation. Nev

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Detrimental comments by Airline pilots in the UK. . . ( I have not bothered to look at PPRuNe. . .(this is just from the group that I now personally apart from ONE. . . but he is an ordained Churchman too. . ( ! ) sigh) 'Incompetent' too high ROD. . etc Flight Crew incompetent . . .etc. . . WHY do they do this before any investigation is carried out ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The only blokes who know what happened in that incident are the flight crew for Fecks sake.

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Agreeg, Phil , lots more info required yet before one can pass judgement. I still place a great deal of the burden of the loss on the firies, with their "leisurely" response.

Any other Western country airport with an incoming Mayday would have the firetrucks lined up and warmed up prior to landing, and gunning it down the edges of runway, right behind the sliding aircraft.

I'm staggered at the volume and intensity of the black smoke pouring from the inside of the aircraft after landing.

I was under the impression there was a lot of effort put into fire-resistant and low-toxin-levels materials inside todays commercial aircraft. Maybe Sukhoi haven't got to that level of improved design yet?

The largest percentage of the fatalities would have been as a result of ingesting toxic smoke. It just reinforces the importance of getting down low as a snakes belly in a fire, and crawling along the floor.

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I read the transcripts of the emergency services rescue chatter and it seemed a bit unprofessional. The passengers took off everywhere and they had trouble getting numbers as to how many were still inside.

 

A report by one of the last passengers off said one of the firies offered a bottle of vodka to the passengers. Makes you wonder what sort of professional fire and rescue crew drives around with a bottle of vodka in the truck.

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Traditional elixir for any occasion in Russia ?

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Doesn't the whole of Russia run on Vodka??

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Traditional elixir for any occasion in Russia ?

 

Almost for all. It is deemed to be the best stress-relief.

 

WHY do they do this before any investigation is carried out ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

Because everything is visible from footage. Huge PIO (in Russian it is called "Goat", "Goating") on landing with very hard second touch and immediate fire. Definitely pilots are not able to land the plane without electronics, in direct mode, but they were absolutely sure they can, so did not declare emergency at all. PIC is former military transport pilot, retired lt-colonel, this is typical behaviour for Russian army. Bosses do not like soldiers, who can not execute their orders and cope with the problem by themselves! - and it regularly causes disasters.

 

Any other Western country airport with an incoming Mayday would have the firetrucks lined up and warmed up prior to landing, and gunning it down the edges of runway, right behind the sliding aircraft.

 

The largest percentage of the fatalities would have been as a result of ingesting toxic smoke. It just reinforces the importance of getting down low as a snakes belly in a fire, and crawling along the floor.

 

the plane flied well until hard runway touch, so they did not declare anything, only 7600.

 

in the middle of 10 tonn burning kerosene puddle any material will burn and smoke, even concrete and bricks. To crawl is contrproductive, this is the best way to stay inside due to very low speed. Only when there is static smoke from relatively small fire you can crawl under it, relying on thin layer of clean air. In such an active kerosene fire there is no clean air at all.

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As far as I know, Pan Pan was called but no Mayday.

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Have been reading about the investigation's progress. It seems that the hard landing drove the main gear into the fuel tanks.

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Looks like Aeroflot's not having much luck with the Superjet. This one copped a bit of damage a few days ago when they forgot to unhook a ground cable before departing Moscow. They flew 1200klm to Izhevsk with the cable punching a few holes in the fuselage and elevator. From what I can figure out, the cable was caught up in the landing gear on take off and didn't do the damage until the gear was lowered for landing, letting the cable swing free.

 

 

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