davebutler

I can understand the professionals wanting to wait the months before the due process of preliminary report and the years before the final report. I have full confidence in ATSB, and ATSB have the task of producing a definitive report (and I note it's not ATSB wanting to stop speculation), but that process is not much good to us for the here and now, and in some cases, a series of fatalities can occur before the official release of the first report. I don't think anyone thinks they are posting the cause of the event, and it's the side discussions the subject prompts, that have proven to be of most benefit to future generations.It might seem harsh, but if you are going to seriously take a look at an accident, you have to forget about the personalities involved. Now and again the great friend and life of the party, caused the problem

 

I can only remember two family members who came on to this site, one prompted by a member, who expressed concerns which were quickly allayed by several people explaining to her what we were trying to do and where we were heading, and she was most appreciative, and the other who was thankful to us for confirming her own thoughts.

 

There are quite a few reasons other than corrosion/SIDS relationship that can cause wings to come off a 210. It varies from the C206 in that it doesn't have wing struts, and the leads some people to conclusions, but the two aircraft are built for different applications, the C206 being more of a truck vs a 210 car.

 

Handling a rain shower in a 210 is a quite a lot different than it is in a Drifter, with a lot less options.

 

Its cruise speed is around 200% faster than a Drifter, 106% faster than 80 kt cruise, and around 65% faster than a Jab.

 

In that far shorter time, to ensure correct wing loading, you have to make decisions on Prop Pitch, and Gear as well as flaps.

 

So the rain shower could be a factor.

 

Also, previous pilots may have stressed the airframe; I saw a 172 looping on one occasion, so the first time there was any rough weather, the previous damage could have kicked in.

I also understand that for most this would still be rather raw especially for family & friends but the idea of this forum is to spread knowledge so that others do not make the same mistake if indeed a mistake has been made.

Not to put blame on those that cannot defend themselves.

Lastley my condolences to the family & friends we have all lost fellow aviators.

davebutler, what did the NZCAA do? I was there about 16 months ago and their PPL medical system was more expensive and difficult than ours then. I'm looking to flee this dreadful penal colony.

Here we go again, another talk fest, waste of tax payers money to find out what we already know and then to use some flimsy detail to maintain the status quo.

How much info do they need, the FAA did research and made changes as did the UKCAA, the NZCAA and I am sure there are more countries that have also made similar changes and add to that data from our own RA-Aus.

AOPA has already had a talk with them and put forward a proposal which I believe most are happy with.

Come on Mr CASA enough stalling lets see some positive action NOW!!!

Hi cscotthendry,

Yes we were told the changes were from CASA and we understand the position you folks were in and accepted it as such.

Make no mistake we still had a good time and thank you guys for putting on an excellent show.

As the Big man said "I will be back"

Cheers

Dave B.

Must agree it was a Great Show and enjoyed our week end amongst fellow aviators and aircraft.

Like Blueadventures we were a little annoyed regarding the under wing camping.

We arrived on the Friday and at first we were told we could camp under the wing then we could not then we could but could not stay at our tent/aircraft during show then tent and us had to move.

A site dedicated to the Under Wing Campers would have been great.

But this was a minor inconvenience It was still an excellent week end away.

Heard on the radio this afternoon a Tiger ended up on it's back at Redcliffe??

Hi DGL,

We are all nice fellows and Yes you find us every where now

Hi Ryan,

Make contact when you arrive, there is a growing group of ex-pat pilots here in Brissy

When I learned to fly back in South Africa in 1983 full spin training was part of the syllabus.

We did spins in pa28-140's, C150's, C172's and others.

It was removed from the syllabus around 1985 unless done in a certified aerobatic aircraft, only incipient spins taught now.

Guys lets give these guys a break.

I for one complain that we have very few destinations in south east QLD where we just jump in a plane and shoot off to another airfield, have a $100-00 hamburger and meet with like minded folks.

Some of us have been begging for this type of thing for ages, lets support this and others in our neighbourhood.

Weather permitting will see you tomorrow.

Dave B. (VH-WPL)

This is the correct one

one here, which is hosting a flyin on the weekend.

See attached my Son.

Seek and thy shall find.

So endith the lesson.

Peace be with you

Father Dave

Canungra International Airfield - Inaugural 2015 Fly-in.pdf

Canungra International Airfield - Inaugural 2015 Fly-in.pdf

Canungra International Airfield - Inaugural 2015 Fly-in.pdf

Anybody got any idea what happened?

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timb have to agree, give them a bit of credit they got the Cessna part right but then Cessna seems to be there default aircraft so they had to get it right sooner or later.

Also Pathfinder are having a real run of bad luck, hope the stick to the Sling it seems to be hanging in there.

First Sling 4 in Aus flies.

Errol test flew his Sling 4 yesterday, all went extremely well if the smile is anything to go by:smile:

IIt looks like someone got their paint scheme inspiration from my aircraft.

How does a thread on a CASA conspiracy turn into one on Old Farts & Bushfires:crazy:

I was most fortunate to have flown in Riama. Possibly the best aircraft restoration I have ever seen.

Photo taken at the home of Coominya Flight Training, myself, Des, John & unknown

Review by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal

Any person whose interests are affected by CASA’s decision, may, subject to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act 1975, apply to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) for a review of the decision within 28 days from the date of the decision. You should seek and rely upon your own legal advice in relation to your rights of review.

The fee for an AAT review is $861.

No wonder some are leaving in droves, this is ridiculous!!

It MUST be a Cessna, it has a high wing:angry:

Condolences to Family & Friends. Always sad when we loose one of our own

I never got one because I don't need one. (And it is a rip off and does nothing what so ever for security) It is not compulsory unless you visit airfields that have RPT as far as I am concerned.

Radio news reported it as an EFATO.

This isn't the 1st fatal accident involving a minor flying a highly publicised 'charity' mission. A few years back a quite young girl in the US lost control of a c182 in storms near the Rockies - killing her adult 'safety' pilot as well. I know that regulators have to approve these flights, but it does occur to me that there would be more than a little 'get-thru-itus' and 'get-home-itus' involved. Consider the long stages and the fatigue involved. Being the youngest to achieve any physical feat of endurance is important to some - but at what risk? Doing it to raise money for charity is laudable but where do we draw the line?Not impressed by these 'youngest-to-fly-to Mars & back' events.