Brian F

If anyone else has received one of these please speak up... This is VERY serious if OUR money was used to do this.

keen eye spot a half empty gin bottle protruding from Mavis's....

Good lord your a woman! well while your down there....................

but wait.. thats not gold its his conopy turning brown as the last drop of rego is squeezed from his tanks and plumets towards a field of importers, manufacturers

and hostile instructors!!

.......but it had failed to self destruct like many little piles around Dandenong attributed to Salty, rightly or wrongly, but...............

I think what many people are trying to say here Brian is that it's important to differentiate between giving priority to a group now, while sorting out the chaotic situation which was the RAA registration process at the end of 2012, and the ongoing situation when things are back on track.Those are two very different sets of circumstances, and so far I don't see anyone proposing that commercial interests should be given priority in the future.

 

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Brian, I understand your position and I don't disagree in the best of all worlds. A/c should be registered when they come due. But what happened is we were stopped from registering EVERYTHING and the registrations began to pile up and this went on for about a month. When the CASA man finally got there, can you imagine the mess? Where does one start? Staff didn't know what info was needed so each rego was examined, and info sent to people and there would have been piles of 1, ready to go when the CASA man looks at them, 2 needing more information, 3. Lost all their documentation, 4. Don't know what to do with these. In the midst of this (and I'm only surmising, but I bet its pretty close to the mark), we had, for example, Jabiru with 2 new a/c sitting on the lot for over a month, with employees being laid off just before Christmas, (possibly) what about their families? And I was told one of the Board members, said, "'tough". Let them wait in line. It just made me feel incredibly sad for their families. Under those circumstances, I would put them in front of me.Cazza

of this association.

Brian.

I see your point very clearly. I object to your premise that put under a little bit of pressure that other raa members would be like you. I don't believe this is so and I certainly wouldn't. My comment of fairness and decency was not directed at you at all, your entitled to your opinion. I make this post only to clarify what I meant and not to enter into a debate.Regards Terry

What the hell are you trying to say i am?

If your comment of fairness and decency wasn't directed at me, who was it directed at?

Whether or not I'm grounded for one two or three months I still want the flying schools to get preferential treatment. Just because I'm unhappy about how I'm dealt with doesn't mean my fundamental belief in fairness and decency goes out the window.

you cant see my point, fair enough, leave it at that.

Don't you mean 100mm x 50mm ?Kiwi

ONLY JOKING!!!

I think a case could be made. You can't renew without them. They have their house on the line in most cases, and have multiple planes. I doubt they are making a lot of money in the best of times. YOUR plane on the ground doesn't stop your income. Nev

put in place that if this sort of thing ever happens again, flying schools, importers and manufacturers should take priority, Lets put it to a vote of the

members, i will be happy to go along with the decision, but for now i will just stick to my opinion.

We have club members that have been grounded for two months. They fully support the priority given to the flying schools. The flying schools didn't cause this. The incompetent Executive and CEO caused this.So your opinion is that your hobby is more important than your friends jobs?

 

Kiwi.

to go to the end of the line, being a fully paid up member of raa.? I hope your local flying school appreciates you and your fellow club members support, perhaps the will show their appreciation

by giving you all a free flight occasionally while you are still waiting.

You might not like your local flying school and want them to fail, but I and every pilot I know are more than happy for the Flying Schools to have priority in getting there rego's done.

My aircraft rego expired yesterday, and if It has to stay ground a bit longer to help keep people employed and receiving a income so be it.

 

Kiwi.

if your opinion has changed if you are still grounded in 2 months.

Not your fault as an individual Brian....but collectively the organisation and it's members if it doesn't protect the industry that keeps it going. Sharing an opinion and disagreeing is fine, as long as people are prepared to listen as well as disagree. Not saying that you haven't, but as I'm sure you know too, there are so many that just won't hear anything that they disagree with.Shane

Brian.

So when your BFR is due and you can't find a instructor cause he went broke, are you going to winge about having a registered aircraft and not allowed to fly it? After all it's not your fault he went broke!

Raa organisation by asking a question and expressing my point of view on this forum, after all it it probably is my fault!!!

Sprite is right ©Members have to step back and take a strategic view on this.

 

If a flying school goes belly up that means that all the members in its catchment (and that can mean up to three or four hours radius are without access to training, bfr's and supervisory influence.

 

By contrast, the members fly for recreation so there's no financial penalty on them

Brian, I think the current situation is unusual to say the least. As said by Andy above, normally everyone should be treated equally, but this is not a normal situation. I think a little empathy for those who try to make their living out of Recreation flying is in order. Without them, you would have much less choice for training, and you would be stuck with a very small number of flyable aircraft types..

members, I just dont get the the idea of priority treatment for some at the expense of others, surely we are all entitled to have our aircraft registered just the same. I understand this is not a normal situation but is this how it is going to be when the s..t his the fan next time? Is it a good idea to have commercial

interests a priority in any situation in the future?

Brian F.I would like to declare that I have and will continue to push that commercial operations get priority over other flyers to get aircraft back in the air. In fact I pushed this issue to a vote when my posts on the official website worked and it got through just (now I cannot post at times, another story that is).

 

My reasons are simple, some lively hoods will rely on commercial operations and the implications of not getting them flying first could have a greater detriment on individuals and in the future the continuance of the RAA.

 

If you want to discuss this point feel free to call me.

 

Regards,

 

Jim Tatlock

 

Mobile 0403 22 8986

times getting tight....if u really reckon u want to make a difference...either..turn up on the day ....or...get a proxy in now!

I got it, Brian. It is simply the pragmatic approach to take because the financial risk of letting down the importers and manufacturers is immediate and severe. RAAus already has enough damage control operations running - either in the courts or potential/pending - and individual members will not be well served if the whole show goes broke.

 

kaz

I did not realise that court actions were in progress over this issue, I just wouldn't like to see importers, manufacturers ect. getting priority while the the ordinary members go to the end of the que. the pace that registrations are being processed we could be waiting a long time.

Brianeveryone will see it differently, but for me those who use RAAus to put the vegemite on the table such as flying instructors or some importers need renewal before i do. Me not flying is a pain, the family needing government support to subsist is very much a different thing. Now like everything in life its not black and white there are probably well off instructors and importers and there are probably those that have days to weeks of reserves in the bank not months to years.

 

in thinking about it its a bit like labour vs liberal. If there was only one answer there would need be only one party

 

Andy

after reading the email from Gavin, this issue doesn't seem as important at the moment as sorting out other issues in feb. and hopefully getting rid of

tossers like him from the board.

TurboThe group Im a part of, being a small subset of the total attendees intend to ask the following questions as a minimum. They arent necessarily inthe order we will ask:-

 

13. Why has the board to manage the aircraft registration crisis in an unprofessional manner ? (ie, refusing to give priority to the importers and manufacturers of aircraft in this country who contribute thousands of dollars each year as sponsors of Natfly and other flyins)?

 

Hi Andy, I agree with all of your groups point except no. 13. Why does your group think it is unprofessional refusing to give priority to importers and manufacturers. Do you think they are more deserving than ordinary members who's registration has expired? They are in it to make a buck, i am in it to

 

enjoy flying, I pay my registration and membership and i was grounded for 2 months. How long does your group think i should wait while importers and manufacturers get priority? I realise the may contribute to natfly ect. but if the rest of us have to line up behind them for reg. renewal they may be the

 

only ones there.

pays to complain on the forum, the RAA may deny involvement with this forum but its weird how 99% of public complaints gets dealt with very quickly once its made public.

Brian have you been advised why the delay?

At first it was the computer problem excuse, then unable to process renewals due to audit failure "you will have to wait in line"

Finally told a few days before christmas i needed to send photo's of warning placards and numbers under the L/H wing.

Photo's were sent last friday as raa was closed for christmas. I was advised i have been added to the processing line. So from the time

I rang the office with my renewal details before my rego expired until now it has been 2 months.