Sky Gazer

I think the prospect, even if eventually not this one, is something to be excited about.

I thought it was pretty obvious .........a concept vs a product for sale .

Also just offering some personal experience dealing with EPI

Good luck ...I'll believe it when I see it having waited several years with 2 Turbines sitting in Jack's workshop waiting for him to complete his reduction drive gearbox only to have him spit the dummy and fail to deliver

I believe the Aeromomentum uses all new parts and is available as are the components to

Aeromomentum Aircraft Engines, LSA, Experimental, Airboats, Aircraft Gearbox, 1500cc, 117hp

BEST of LUCK Pearo

It's there...." Gyro fatality Melbourne " ( 3rd posting )Hope this helps

THANKS Russ

investigation by asra.............low level, illegal operation. ( end of speculations )

I know you are a well respected member of ASRA and as such probably privy to this sort of information perhaps you can direct me to where this information is posted. As a newbie ASRA member I can only see 5 posts on the ASRA site regarding this incident and certaily nothing there that is indicative of the circumstances of the incident.

Peter

Hi

 

Hi Pete

 

The correct answer is 1/2^100

 

or 1 in 1 267 650 600 228 229 401 496 703 205 376

 

It can't be anything other than an even integer. You need to do the multiplication again and check it.

 

Kaz

You are correct -I just inverted the percentage value of 7.88861 x 10 to the 31st from excel and pasted it without rounding off.

But the point is clear while the odds may be 50% for an individual random event the probabililty of the sequence is Phenomenal and CERTAINLY not the same as 50/50.

Pete

Coin Toss.xlsx

Coin Toss.xlsx

Coin Toss.xlsx

...Every flight MUST be flown on its merits, there is no such thing as routine, not at this end of the spectrum.

Q.If I toss a coin 99 times and get 99 tails, what are the odds I will get a tail again?....

 

A. 50/50.... Exactly the same odds as each one of those 99 coin toss's that came before . It matters not what you did in the previous 10..100..10000 hours leading up to THIS flight.. This next flight carries all the same risks and odds as every flight hence....

Yes the odds of throwing a tail would be 50% but the probability of throwing 100 tails in a row is one in 1282051282051282051282051282051.3- that's right !

Odds relate to a single independant event whilst probability looks at the relationship of a series of events in this case 100 consecutive coin tosses. That's why we don't regularly see it on Anzac Day.

No offence intended,

Pete

Hi Russ,

I can understand your frustration when terrible things like this happen to our fellow aviators with an immense of experience under their belt. As a VERY low time time pilot with no claims to being anything more than a learner and the realisation that parts can and do fail from normal wear and tear or external forces ( like a bird strike) I thank my lucky start for the invention of the BRS. I am certainly not too proud or foolish to think I may have the skills or experience to overcome the odds when confronted with such a stressful situation so my Check List ensures BRS pin out -just in case- I don't want to be fumbling around to remove it if the time ever comes and especially when every second counts.

Pete

Update from the Herald Sun,http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/pilot-emma-bobridges-spectacular-escape-from-helicopter-crash/story-fni0fit3-1226752330396

He said it appeared that one of the helicopter's skids became caught on the landing mat as it tried to take off, causing it to lose balance and ultimately come crashing down.

 

....

 

Amazingly, the experience pilot suffered only minor hand injuries despite the helicopter plummeting to the ground as it was taking off from the Collingwood Football Club's Olympic Park Base.

 

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And there in lies the story

 

I get sick and tired of all the old farts with their rag and tube drifters whinning about the good old days when it was the AUF with none of the restrictions that have come about with emergence of RAA and its pandering to the newer and heavier "plastic fantatics".

 

You guys need to pull your head out of the sand and have look around at the real world . It is over a 100 years Orville and Wilbur started the rag and tube movement and there have been a number of aviation improvements along the way just as the Automobile has evolved since the model T to the vehicles we drive today with Cruise Control, AC, PS,Fuel injection and of course I pod connectivity .

 

Just because you enjoy the wind in your face as you put around the sky at a leisurely pace of 50 knotts doesn't mean that others can't enjoy the benefits of modern aerodynamics, technology, innovative electronics and longer endurance in a sleek and comfortable package. The increasing weight limits that are being ridiculed for pushing us towards GA are just limits they are not compulsory so you can continue to fly drifters to your hearts content

 

The 9000 strong increase in membership would I imagine be due to the increased popularity and availability of faster and more modern aviation offerings and I would assume that they make up the bulk of RAA members. Accordingly I see that RAA is actually acting in the interest of its membership allowing us the opportunity to fly and maintain the latest and safest offerings in a recreational capacity and at a relatively affordable ( compared to GA cost.

 

We need to support RAA not tear it down or hope for its demise.

 

Pete

 

 

There is a massive amount of stuff on this guy, some think he was gods gift to aviation, others say he was a dangerous cowboy, I have no opinion either way other than from what I've read he should've been grounded years before the fatal crash.He had plenty of skill for sure but with that should come the responsibility to be an example to lesser pilots .

A case in point ,I was with a mate at Tyabb airshow last time it was on and as we walked by Matt Hall's stand he stopped my mate and asked his opinion on the routine Matt had just done, I was amazed at two things, Matt halls humility and who is this fella I'm hanging around with that Matt hall asks to critique his performance.

 

Matty

It sounds like you must have been wandering around with Critter ?

Pete

Has anyone had an update recently ?

Hi Matt,

I'd go with the Acrylic it has a hardness factor (more accurately an impact resistance factor) of 25 when compared to glass while Polycarbonate comes up at about 44 but bear in mind that impact resistance means it is softer and deforms ( as well as SCRATCHES) that much easier.

Acrylic is tintable and not too hard to work with that's what most canopies are made from anyway.

Glad to see you are flying the bugger,

Good luck,

Pete

Yes there is a known problem and a solution found and in place - unfortunately the availability of the components is an issue.

Yes grounding the A/C until it complies is not an unreasonable request and maybe CASA should have done so or at least restricted operations until the repairs were completed.

As for the argument that the passengers were not aware of the status of the AC I don't know how far you can realistically push that point as all air crew or passengers put their lives in the hands of the pilot whenever they go flying. They do not know and cannot be expected to know the intricacies of the aircraft that is the pilot''s domain. They trust that the Pilot in command as having assessed the aircraft an deemed it safe for flight under the prevailing conditions as he or she assumes responsibility for all on board.

If its not safe or conditions are beyond your level of control then DON'T risk your life let alone anyone else who has placed their faith in your abilities.

All I am saying is lets stop pointing the finger of blame at everyone else but the pilot.

From the photos in the news article I can't see why he was so close to the trees to start with it sure looks like there was plenty of room to land without getting anywhere near them.

Would I go flying in an R44 without the Bladder update? NO and that is the choice I personally would make just as this pilot COULD and as we now know should have done.

Yes, the fact that the pilot has initiated the accident is simply not relevant..........Maj...

From 2006 a safety notice from Robinson :http://www.robinsonheli.com/srvclib/r44sn40.pdf

Again, from Robinsons website :

 

http://www.robinsonheli.com/srvclib/rchsn40_addendum.pdf

 

The service Bulletin.:

 

http://www.robinsonheli.com/service_library/r44_service_bulletins/r44_sb78.pdf

 

Im not really up on the politics of it all. But who issues AD's? Is it the manufacturer or CASA, FAA etc?. The SB above and the other bits of information on Robinsons website clearly indicate knowledge of the problem from as early as 2006. Surely if the manufacturer have a "to be complied with date" which they themselves moved forward by a year after the crash at my airfield, surely someone at CASA made a decision NOT to get involved. Oh those good old boys at Robinson are dealing with the problem. There wont be too many of these post crash fires before april, now lets get on with grounding the RAA because of missing photographs. Robinson even link customers to 'nomex' suppliers and recommend you wear fire protective clothing in the flight manual. IS THAT PLACARDED for paying customers to see??

 

WARNING; THIS HELICOPTER HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF INCINERATING THE THE OCCUPANTS IN THE EVENT OF ANY SORT OF ROLL OVER. WEAR FIRE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING AND FLY AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 

Excuse me mr Pilot, what does that mean? Should I be wearing Nomex?? How many operators make it clear to the passengers? This is a bloody disgrace ....!!!!!!!!!

 

Friendly CASA personel, PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT AND FIX THIS PROBLEM....NOW!!!!! Or change your name..

Wow what tradjedy .- Unfortunately it has turned into a political soapa box to persecute CASA and Robinson.

The bottom line is it was Pilot error- Neither Frank Robinson nor CASA were flying the chopper when it struct the tree initiating the disaster.

As pilots we know that we take the lives of any passengers in our hands the moment we buckle up and turn the key - Ignorance is no excuse but accidents do happen.

Yes I agree the outcome would most likely been more favourable if the R44 was equipped with the bladders but the pilot would have known this. The Pilot decided to proceed with the flight and botched the landing so he /she must ultimately assume responsibility for the outcome whether here or not.

Why do we always have to blame (litigate ) someone else for every and any unfortunate accident or are there no longer ANY accidents?

More people die in Fords than Robbies why don't we have them all taken off the road too?

Scott,As safe as the pilot who makes the landing or the force landing.

 

I have a bubble canopy in the Tecnam and I am as comfortable in that as I am in my car with a "bubble" canopy/cabin.

 

Choice is easy high wing or low wing they both will have pro's and con's just up to you to decide.

 

Alf

The Golf I learned to fly in did not have side access doors or roll down windows like my car with a "bubble "canopy/cabin- rather it was a slide action which would be pretty difficult to work upside down with the weight of the plane on it.

Pete

Hi Wags,

Yes a very nice solution .

Just one query ,why do you use the pin and the padlock?

Wouldn't the shaft of the pad lock do the job on its own?

Peter

Ok .... I'll bite .. What is a Cobri???

The Cobri would be a great alternative if it wasnt $100k more expensive that the Robbie.

Hi Mick,

I am Col's Hangar at the moment for $130 /month but was in another previously that was $165/month and I had to move a Jabiru and a trike just to get the

CT out and no water or power - Now why did I movei_dunno

Pete

The 'chute' doesn't do it for me.If the Cirrus is such a good design then it doesn't need it...If the pilot is 'not up to the task'....what is he doing here??

peter

.... if you want more flying time after work, start earlier. ...... .

.... When you consider that we don't get the twilight hours in Qld and quite a bit of the State is West of the 150deg meridian it is obvious why it is only the SE corner that wants daylight saving .

Incidently the last couple of surveys undertaken were OVER WHELMINGLY in favour of DLS - it is the ones done in FNQ that already have the later sunset that are against it.

Regards,

peter

Hey! Look on the bright side? at least where not "backward" with our car parking!!! :peepwall:

That depends on whether you are coming or going :confused:

Actually that just goes to reinforce my comment:laugh: Why would you want to back out into oncoming traffic ;) particularly when you have Bloody tall 4WD or Van parked next to you obscuring your view totally.:ah_oh:

Peter

..we have never seen a need to keep up with the Jonses here in Qld, more likley to just do our own thing at our own pace, thank you..................................................

With that attitude you would still be flying Biplanes. ;)

Keeping up if the jones is called the pace of life -overtaking the Jones is called progress. Now don't tell me you are against progress or I will have to think you a are a stodgy old XXXXs like the ones we have around here whining about the jet service from Sydney having ruined the character of the place,making so much noise and of course they are so low they are practically touching the tree tops in their back yards.

It sounds like you don't have to deal on a daily basis with financial institutes or busness in other states or you would find out how awkward that one hour delay is- often missing couriers and adding an extra day to freight services.thumb_down

Queensland the smart state - what a joke?

Peter