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Guys,

Flying is dangerous.

Those who chose to do it have the ultimate freedom of flight, but also the ultimate responsibility of their own safety and the safety of others, both in the aircraft and on the ground. They must also bear the weight of responsibility of the consequences of being killed or incapacitated, to them and their families.

There are no silver bullets here, self regulation and responsibility are the only way to ensure the maximum safety.

And there is no such thing as perfectly "safe".

But there is such a thing as "unlucky". We don't know what happened to these poor people. We can try rationilize why, but it is a circular argument, there is no soultion to all these questions.

I have enough problems dealing with these issues to keep me out of the air. I am struggling to weigh it all up and make sense, but what is becoming clear is that what we do is dangerous and has risk.

Until I work it out and have some answers I can't fly again.

Vmo in a texan is 90kts......

Check any third party software (anti-virus, tec) which may be blocking outbound traffic. Try disabling it and see if it fixes it.

And spent a week living on Loch Linhe, which is in the same chain of lochs as Loch Ness.

Saw plenty of low-flying RAF Tornadoes and helicopters.

And one solitary Jab J230.... I nearly fell off my chair when I saw it!!

The LET-410, which is the russian made aircraft in the video, is statiscally the worlds most dangerous aircraft. More accidents\fatalities than any other aircraft.

Its actually an anti-smoking ad from India.

Theres a whole series, if someone can find\post the link.

i have never heard of a line up check before, i have all those one in the run up/pre take off checks, the only check i do when rolling is engine RPM and temps and pressures. all other engine vitals are done during the runup, things like generator/alternator charging, vacuum pressure etc, followed by transponder on ALT, radios etc then move off to the runway.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=570538

I should dust off the old Navy control crib book!!

Freddy S302 Grade B

BIG difference between, LESS safe and UNSAFE......

I agree with what you are getting at though.

"One Star"

Its not a requirement, but it does make access to information easier and faster.

Therefore, should make flying safer.

Therefore, you should have access to this better, faster information to ensure your flying is as safe as possible.

I would see that as required.

Lucky it happened during the day in good weather......

Lucky the pilot was game to slip a gliding 767 and knew how.

Lucky they were within gliding distance of a suitable field.

Lucky they were light enough to glide that far.

Lucky they killed no one on the runway that was being used as a gokart track.

Pilot was very skilful and a cool calm and collected type.

Its better to be lucky than skillful! Skill doesn't move that mountain!

I think this is a good representation of the kind of people who are members of this forum.

However I did expect more linux\mac users. Linux because of the technical nature of some the forum members and mac because the number of mac users out there.

All together a not surprising outcome.

XP. I reckon Vista is the worst thing that has ever happened!

Replace "Vista" with operating system of choice!

:hittinghead:

Sorry you are right, 2 POB not PAX...

Unless you have a kick-*ss autopilot! :thumb_up:

Having had experience with this recently, I know that the RA Aus Ops Manual states that the incidents or accidents should be reported if there is any physical damage to any person or property, or potential for damage to said persons or property.

The responsible person for reporting this are the PIC, Hirer and\or Owner of the aircraft. Both if there is a hirer and an owner.

Maintenance logs are to be included

Any accident causing injury or death is to be immediately reported

Any accident causing damage to property or aircraft are to be reported with 48 hours of the time of occurence.

I think pretty Im accurate here, if anyone can pull the actually text. (Im at work and dont have my Ops Manual handy, funny that)

I was wondering if anyone knows of a J160 or J170 on crosshire in Perth. I am going to Perth for a week and would like to take Mum for a quick flight around the local area.

Any help would be appreciated.

This is true. In GA you can double up kids if they dont exceed a combined weight of 75Kg.

RA is STRICTLY 2 PAX.

I have taken my 8 year old flying on a copuple of occasions. He was a little ho-hum about it so he doesnt go so much anymore. My 5 year old is too small in my opinion to be properly restrained.

This reminds of the guy that went around Australia on a skateboard.

I think the whole point of doing this in an aerochute is that its NOT the most practical way of doing it. Hence the uniqueness of the challenge.

Good on him, I would like to think he is much more prepard for this than the BBG (Brazilian Baloon Guy).

:ah_oh:

Fixed it, we now started at the right place!!

Macnoz kindly invited me to occupy the spare seat in his Jab-160 on a fly away to the David Hack Classic at Toowoomba this year. I have attached a few photos for everyone to have a look,

If you want to see more have a look under my galleries in my profile.

The trip started at 8am at Caboolture, after fueling the Jab and talking out the flight plan, we set off for a direct track to Toowoomba from Caboolture. A flight which took an hour from chocks to chocks.

This was a beatifully smooth ride all the way to Toowoomba, although visibility was not real great due to some early morning haze. Also attending the fly away were some other a\c from Caboolture.

Nanchang CJ-6A from Caboolture Warbirds

Piper CUB from Caboolture Warbirds

2 x Jab 160

Jab 170

2 x Gazelles

Piper Comanche

and Ive surely missed a few others.

We arrived at YTWB which is located at 2086 AMSL, right on the edge of a large escarpement, which rises over 1000ft from the valley floor. John noted on arrival that Toowoombas airfield is located almost in town, not giving much option in case of an EFATO.

We were marshalled to a spot in the public a\c parking and took up a position between a gazelle and a pressurised Cessna 210 centurion.

There were over 400 vehicles and 60 aircraft attending. Including numerous warbirds. Yaks, Nanchanges, Winjeel, Chipmunks, Trojans and a stearman. Aerotec was represented with a good turnout of thier aircraft, including the famed Zuccoli collection.

http://www.aerotec.com.au/

Not surprising seeing as Toowoomba is their home base. It was great to hear all those radial engines thundering away all day.

Lots and lots of all types of cars from vintage, to veteran and classic. Trucks, cars, military and the weird and wonderful.

Lots of GA and private aircraft, during one conversation it was noted that on the flight line RA aircraft made up nearly half of the private attendees. These aircraft including everything from Drifters to the ultra modern, glass fibre speed machines.

Food and beverage was well taken care of with the normal fried fare and barbecued sausages, burgers and chips. The local rotary (who are the beneficiaries of this event) supplied, tea, coffee, cakes and sandwiches. All at reasonable prices.

We wandered around took photos and and had some amazing conversations. We decided to depart at about 1pm, as most of the crowd was starting to thin out.

As we departed Toowoomba we had a following westerly wind. As we dropped over the scarp heading home we noted we were setup for climbing at Vy with no altitude gain at all for a minute or so as we rode the falling air over the scarp!

We soon climbed to 4500 ft and tracked direct to Caboolture, this time visibility was great with views all the way to Brisbane and Moreton Island. A litlle bumpy on the way home particlularly over the ranges.

We landed at Caboolture and packed the Jab away in its hangar after a successful day.

Thanks to Macnoz for inviting me. Have a sneaky peek at the photos from the day in the album in my profile.

Ryan STM Trainer Nose

David Hack Classic '08 Toowoomba Fly-In

Thats just too much....