davidc95

We now have some information, very sad indeed.Investigation: AO-2017-102 - In-flight breakup involving Cessna 210, VH-HWY, 22 km E of Darwin Airport, Northern Territory, on 23 October 2017

A timely reminder for our summer flying that aircraft have no place near thunderstorms (although I'm sure that is easier said then done in the NT) . The updrafts of a maturing storm cell would wreak havoc on any light aircraft.

That must be the 3rd this week! I was speaking with a friend about the GA crash in Darwin when this one came on 9 news.

I won't speculate on the cause of the crash but I will say that I went to school with one of the pilots of the ill-fated aircraft and shared a few mutual friends with him. He had a reputation as an enthusiastic and charismatic individual with a good aptitude for flying.

The local community has been quite shaken by this accident and its hit quite close to home for me as well. I hope the ATSB can bring us some closure.

Does anyone in Bundaberg know what happened to Hinkler Flying School? While I was spending a few weeks up there in 2014 I did some flight training with Max in his fleet of Jabiru LSAs. Found him to be an extremely professional instructor and a genuinely charismatic person.

90,000 x 0.03 = 2700 not 27.

Jabiru would cease to exist with 2700 engine failures.

I think CASA's intervention is reasonable, Jabiru needs to change if it is to survive in the dwindling Australian aviation industry. They have developed a fantastic airframe and have made flying affordable, but now is the time to address their issues, rather then picking a fight against CASA by claiming they are being unfairly treated.

I'm bothered that CASA didn't communicate their proposal with RA Aus. In fact, I'm bothered with the administrative mess that Australia's aviation sector finds itself in. RA is in a financial and administrative crisis which they continue to play down, CASA is trying to weed them out with the introduction of their RPL, and now the aircraft of choice for RA flying has been officially shamed by CASA.

Maybe its time I switched to GA? If you can't beat em, join em!

In the media now.http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/sunshine-coast-plane-crash-hoax-sparks-massive-search-20141028-11d9xd.html

Deemed a Hoax from JRCC and ASA. I hope they catch this guy, be nothing worse then having to listen and respond to such calls as a controller and thinking you've listened to an aircraft to it's demise, not to mention the wasted resources.

Davidc95 why did u remove your photo today. It was there last night when you first posted.

Trooper63, you joined Recreational Flying today and this was the first thread you commented on...

Also how did this hoax even work out? Surely a transmitter on the ground wouldn't have a hope in hell of communicating with Brissie Centre. It would have to have been done offshore or in the air.

So similar post made to the PPRUNE site this morning by a user calling himself Mcoates, no other news at all, sounding tremendously dodgy to me, it's not April though?

How this passes as humor is beyond me, hopefully some jail time comes out of this. Gotta commend ATC for their professionalism.

I have listened to the recording so I believe you and thanks for posting about this. Because it isn't in the news it could have been a training drill. Couldn't have been a hoax person with an air band radio as the Brisb ctr says they had him at 8 mins from the coast

We believe you , i listend to those recordings to and i think the pilots a hoax , the recordings repeat them selves ,How many times did that controler clear that plane to FL 180 ?

Sounds like a training drill to me.........

Sounds like a hoax - he is talking about lowering landing gear and that model is fixed gear. And the sound track doesnt sound like an aircraft call when he speaks.

Here is a recording for 13:00- 13:30 GMT: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o0j1saz74x7mlhs/YBBN6-Oct-27-2014-1300Z.mp3?dl=0

I also have recordings for 14:00-14:30 GMT https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fgfx3cnhn5011m/YBBN6-Oct-27-2014-1400Z.mp3?dl=0

and 14:30-15:00 GMT https://www.dropbox.com/s/s2deqqdmm63jiys/YBBN6-Oct-27-2014-1430Z.mp3?dl=0

Ok this is definitely no joke and I am not crazy. This is the recording of Brisbane Centre between 13:30GMT and 14:00 GMT (thanks to liveatc.net/archive). Please download and listen for yourselves, things go very bad around the 10 minute mark: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u387hz4392ulcn9/YBBN6-Oct-27-2014-1330Z.mp3?dl=0

Sounds like a bad dream !

Ok I'm off to bed, very upset from tonight's events and hoping for some news in the morning. Here is a summary of what happened based upon my monitoring of Brisbane Centre:

- The Cessna aircraft initially reported itself as lost-in-cloud with structural damage and a burning smell in the cabin. Not sure what caused all this as that was never stated.

- The aircraft tracked north where another aircraft reported the skies were clearer, so the pilot could descend below the cloud base. Despite this the pilot did not appear to know where he was.

- The pilot and the controller spent some time talking while Brisbane Centre attempted to get the aircraft on the radar. The controller got a return on the aircraft around Bribie Island. so the pilot spent some time contemplating whether to land at Caloundra or Sunshine Coast airport.

- Things seemed like they would work out for a while but over time the pilot became concerned about the structural integrity of the aircraft for landing (he reported sloppy flight controls), and seemed to become consumed by stress. The controller did a very good job at calming the pilot but in the end the pilot became very delusional and seemed unable to answer simple questions.

- The pilot then reported an engine fire which he suppressed with a fire-retardant. Shortly after, he reported smoke in the cabin and claimed he could no longer see the instrument panel. The controller suggested opening the window and applying an oxygen mask, to no intelligible response.

- There was silence for a few minutes before some inaudible transmissions were broadcast from the aircraft.

- The final transmission I heard was at around 11pm, the pilot broadcast: "We're gone, we're gone, tell em I love em!". This transmission was very clear and loud.

- Brisbane Centre spent the next half an hour attempting to contact the aircraft with no response.

- Brisbane Departures rerouted a Toll Express aircraft and Singapore Airlines aircraft via Bribie Island to look for a crash site and intercept an emergency beacon. The Toll Express aircraft reported nothing but Singapore Airlines claimed it heard a transmission on the emergency frequency.

- There was some brief chatter that two commercial aircraft were speaking with the downed aircraft on the emergency frequency. Someone definitely mentioned "we spoke with him to the end" but that may have been the controller.

- Around 1am a Wedgetail aircraft from Amberley, and Rescue 500 from Brisbane, departed for the Bribie Island area. The Wedgetail aircraft didn't stay long and neither did Rescue 500, although the Wedgetail aircraft reported that they were speaking with a boat which led me to believe the aircraft had been downed in in water.

That was all, Resuce 500 returned to Archerfield around 1:30am.

Rescue 500 returned to base around 1am this morning.

A Wedgetail aircraft is coordinating with Rescue 500 at this time but they are not communicating any specific details on the Brisbane Centre frequency.

Mixed reports but a Virgin aircraft is saying that the pilot is communicating on 121.5.

Rescue 500 has been deployed to the East of Bribie Island to search for the aircraft.

Reports are suggesting a signal was broadcast on 121.5 for a short time, and the aircraft crashed into the water.