Guest Michael Coates Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 OK guys, i need you to cast your minds back to 2002 to 2003 era. A pilot was taken to court by the RAA for flying an RAA registered plane without a RAA pilot certificate. It went to court and they (the judge) decided because he had a full PPL licence that outweighed the RAA certificate and they sent him on the way to continue flying an RAA plane on his CASA licence. Now, is this folklore or fact ?? Does anyone have any details ?? Thanks Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAA Qwerty Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have not heard of this one but I am very interested in the answer. I'm betting its myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I recall reading about that as a news report but I can't remember where but I believe it is true. My recollection was that it was in the Admimistrative Appeals Tribunal. I did a quick search of their archives and didn't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Hi DJ, what is the situation for a PPL endorsed on an RA aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAA Qwerty Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I seem to recall it stated somewhere by RAAus officialdom that in order to fly an RAAus reg aircraft, you needed an RAAus cert. A call to RAAus will get a definative answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Coates Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Calling the RAA is not the way to go, of course they are going to say you need an RAA licence etc... I remember this was burried big time when it happened and middo wouldnt talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAA Qwerty Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Of course, silly me. It shouldnt be too difficult to search court and tribunal proceedings and find it. Call to CASA? I suppose they wont want to add to the confusion either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Ref: http://www.auf.asn.au RA Aus Operations Manual Section 2.01.1 No person shall act as Pilot -in-command of a recreational aircraft operated under the provisions of CAOs 95.10, 96.32 (RA-Aus Registration) or 95.55 or any relevant legislation as amended from time to time, unless that person: (a) is the holder of a valid RA Aus Student Pilot or higher level Certificate, as listed in section 2.05, issued or recognised by the RA Aus. ..and it goes on, but that's the part we're talking about. So I guess the operative word is "recognised" Haven't had time to check whether a PPL, with suitable endorsement for the aircraft, is recognised by RA Aus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 The point is that regulation 5.78 states: A private pilot (aeroplane) licence authorises the holder of the licence:(a) to fly an aeroplane as pilot in command ... etc There is no requirement there to have an RAA certificate. Interesting legal argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAA Qwerty Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 As with all these regs, you can look all blasted day and there will be some obscure clause buried somewhere where no one woudl think of looking that will clearly state an exception to what you want. In this case it seems that a judge may have made a ruling. My PPL says I can fly a single engined aircraft with an MTOW of less that 5700KG, gess what a rec a/c is........ maybe its as simple as that. The PPL does not say the the a/c must be on the australian register and if the aircraft is properly registered and legal to fly in Aust, irrespective of where is is registered, I can see a bit of fun in Court with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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