Skyhog

Just noticed one of the incident reports quoted earlier in this thread. My club sold this Foxbat to its current owner about 13 months ago. This aircraft was fitted with the Rotax 912 fuel injected engine when we sold it and had 993 hours to run. I can only presume the same engine was still fitted when it crashed seeing as a fuel tap was mentioned in the report. I was the one that went and picked it up from Natfly Temora 2013 after its static display duties were done. The dealer (who is a thoroughly good bloke) warned me about the fuel system with that engine. He said two things that were "very important".

1. If you run the engine with both fuel taps off, you'll destroy your fuel pumps ($3k each). This happened in the first incident report before an engine failure at YSBK.

2. If you run a tank out of fuel and get air in the fuel injection system, it could take "a few minutes" to clear it and have the engine running properly again. 

I was saddened to see this as it was a great aeroplane. Our club has had 2 Foxbats and now have a Vixxen. I can't see any reason why our next purchase wouldn't be an Aeroprakt product.👍🏻

Win local news just said there were 2 wreckage sites 200m apart. Sad and scary!

 

 

Righto, here we go Turboplanner. I got booted off here 3 or 4 years back for arguing the reliability of Jabiru Engine through bolts and general reliability etc with you and somebody called Captian something (knobjockey perhaps, I'm not sure) . I've never posted anything again until the other day to answer a question for a bloke . If you are the best thing this forum can produce, then maybe you should take a few years off. See Ya down the track.

 

 

Hey sky hog, what would the rego on the Cessna in your avatar be?Matty

G'day Matty. The rego on that C185 is KPF. Although I've never piloted it, I hold the endorsements to fly it and have leapt out of it many many times. Funny co-incidence is that it's for sale on eBay at the moment.

 

 

I am 100% sure of the aircraft details as I've seen it and it's pilot many times over the years. This "Cessna" is a PA-28-180.

 

 

G'day Roger. R = Rotax

 

 

The front one that failed had been straightened (possibly more than once). Good to see you got new ones made Pud. Cheers.

 

 

I object because it is obscene and immoral to grow crops to run our vehicles when half the world's population is starving.

Well you've got me out of the woodwork. [removed]. My point about the government is that they have done all they can to screw every wheat farmer in Australia by dismantling our export single desk (AWB) for doing what everyone else was doing in Iraq anyway. Now there are a couple of dozen export agencies all trying to undercut each other....marvelous. Our returns now are the same as the 70's yet fertiliser, fuel & machinery prices have climbed up to ten fold. If crops can be grown to provide fuel it is a good thing as they are renewable and can be used in Australia not exported for minimal reward. If you feel so strongly about the worlds starving population then sponsor a child or something but don't carry on with the obscene and immoral [removed]. If you don't want ethanol then don't buy it.....easy.

Please express your opinion without being confrontational to fellow members - Thanks, Mod.

 

 

I'm not sure about the whole tower idea. It was very difficult to get a word in at all around 10.30 Friday morning. If there was a tower involved there would be twice as much chatter. I couldn't make a joining downwind call until I already had joined and been cutoff by a Jabiru that came from the southwest. Somebody told her she had cut 2 aircraft off after she made a turning downwind call. She then flew a circuit that nearly went to West Wyalong. I have flown into controlled airspace many times (in GA aircraft) and feel very comfortable doing so but I don't think Natfly is the place for it. The best safety system in this case is still the eyeballs, (EVERYBODYS EYEBALLS).

 

 

Yeah I saw part of the display. I also saw more than one CASA employee walking around so I would guess they saw it too.

 

 

Nothing heard yet. I guess eventually someone will let us know of her circumstances. Do we have her name yet?Must have hit hard, poor lady.

 

Phil.

Mate you can find her name in the Savannah down near Kilcoy thread. Post # 14

 

 

Every time I've been asked for insurance purposes it has been total time.

 

 

TOSG seems to have fallen in a hole since Tony's passing.Pud

TOSG has a site booked at Natfly

 

 

Winsor68, Ha Ha good point. I haven't flown it yet but I've been told it will have 10-15kt on the Thruster. It's a great looking aircraft and gets plenty of attention wherever it goes.

 

 

Yeah I think so. I've got the opportunity to fly a 1944 Piper Cub to Natfly. The owner will be my passenger so it's up to him what time we depart. We will also be following a 1 place Thruster which has to stop at West Wyalong for a refuel from our groundcrew/swagcarriers. We will aim to catch him just before Temora and fly with him and mention his presence as he has no radio. I will talk to them tomorrow and let you know.

 

 

That's OK. The aero's are actually at Parkes so that is the place to steer clear of. Cheers.

 

 

I was going to put my hand up but I'm from Forbes. Seems that you have some sort of problem with us. Strange thing to post and a good way to get offside with us. Hope I'm standing there if the weather turns to crap and you have to land there. Maybe I've misunderstood you, in which case accept my appologies.

 

 

I'll be there for my first Natfly,got a C210rg booked for the trip and can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't that the only kind of C210?

 

 

Sue,

 

I sent a copy of my RAAus ASIC to CASA with my GA student pilots license application. It all came back approved without any hassles. Since then whilst flying GA aircraft, I've been asked to show it close-up a couple of times. As long as it is in date it doesn't seem to matter who issued it.

 

 

Aww they just don't look good sitting like that! Wonder why It gave way?

If it's the same cause as the 2 that I've seen, the thread strips inside the nut. It looks like somebody has run a drill bit through it. Luckily neither of these aircraft had wheelspats fitted and required no repairs other than the obvious re-attachment of the landing gear.

 

 

Warnervale is on the north side of Sydney, check with the aero club, (they have a website) to see if it is RA friendly but I can't see why not. It's close to the freeway to Sydney but there's no train nearby.QUOTE]There is a train station at Warnervale only a couple of K's from the airfield. Not much of an option if flying from Vic though, might as well use Wollongong.

RA-Aus BAK does not equal GA BAK (unless you get a friendly GA CFI).QUOTE]That's 100% correct.I did both at the same school.I was offered the GA one about 8 years ago and decided to do the AUF one because it was easier and I didn't think I'd need the GA one.As things turned out I did need the GA one and had to sit it some years later (and yes it was harder) with loading systems and met.

Wally was my answer as well.That's where I was shown the Thruster way.It would be a shame to see Wally disappear from Naranderra,he really is a fountain of knowledge.

 

 

I don't think the age of the bloke really matters and I wouldn't describe him as a geriatric.Name calling is childish!The engines came from Bundaberg in a box with 0 time,so how is it the L2's fault if all scheduled maintenance was carried out and the thing needed a top end rebuild after 400hrs?Maybe some people are happy to just keep pouring oil into them.I have seen what happens to people on this forum that don't like Jabirus so I'm expecting to cop it.A few engines might get to TBO but I'll bet that most don't.If you think most will,you're possibly living a fantasy.

 

 

Yes rick-p, I wonder what the sample numbers are this time, and what the standard of maintenance is.

Here's some numbers,none of our Jabiru engines even got to 400tt before needing major attention.The man doing the L2 job is a motorcycle mechanic with 40+ years up his sleeve.All sheduled maitenance was carried out every 25 hours.What are your qualifications Turboplanner?