greybeard

What's a "pound"?

The Butler done it

OK Nong ... I'll bite ... whats OMNI-VISION

If you have a look at the early 172s the rear fuselage went up to the back of the wing. he later 172s had a rear window and the fuselage wasn't as high.

I'm guessing the 'no claim' bonus is feeling a tad shakey at the moment.

go on Phil, spill the beans , we're all fellow aviators , what did happen to the 777?

I don't see the value in this 'who said what, and should they have' business; it would be more useful to know if there's anything more behind the resignation than what has been stated.Rod Birrell is a high experienced member of the Board, one would think he had a keen appreciation of the workload facing him when he took on the Presidency. If this personal situation has changed significantly, then that is perfectly understandable that he'd need to adjust his time availability; it would however be instructive for us to be assured that we are not seeing the result of tension within the Board that is making things difficult for a cooperative effort by all Board members.

I'd have thought that the primary requirements for a head office are:

A venue of appropriate size and cost. ( Why waste money )

A decent place to live for the employees. ( Keep them and their family happy )

A place with reasonable access for board members ( ie cheap short flights ). ( Why have the board spending precious time flying in to meetings ).

Having a head office in upper whoop whoop with a nice view and no commercial air access and/or direct flights would be a waste of time and effort. It's a head office not a retirement home for an annual fly in.

The person who castigated the original poster and accused them of 'premature speculation' seems to be the one who should be getting their knees dirty with an apology.

Since when is the resignation of a board member of an incorporated body something that involves 'secret squirrels'? The resignation would have to be made known to the membership ASAP. So all the huffing and puffing is because the board didn't get to sit on the information for a couple of days. Bah, maybe there should be a tad more focus in why the role of president is a revolving door than on faffing around with delaying the disclosure of information to the world.

To make it easier next time here's a procedure.

1/ President resigns by advising secretary.

2/ Secretary advises rest of board and membership.

3/ Board elect new President.

NB delay between steps in this world of electronic communication should be in the order of several hours plus/minus time zones. As soon as step 1 has occurred, vice president assumes the role until step 3 occurs.

Thanks sfG.Gnarly, if you look at the date of her post (3 days before the actual resignation) you might assess that post as a bit of

 

premature speculation?

 

and that's never a good thing.

Sorry, I think your conclusion about 'premature speculation' is 100% incorrect and very much out of order.

Why is this thread still going? Has the TV broken simultaneously in forum members homes?

Was thinking the same thing Nev. 

 

The young tackers who are under 40 will probably be Google-ing it.

 

 

 

Regards Geoff

In come the dollars and in come the cents

to replace the pounds and the shillings and the pence.

 

Be prepared folks when the coins begin to mix

 

on the 14th of February 1966.

This was discussed elsewhere. Recovery from an incipient stall does not tell you what will happen if you are a bit slower and experience the real thing. That is never demonstrated.

Greybeard. The CFI thing is very relevant, and please dont make this personal. The rules state that fan stops are permitted in the circuit ONLY BY A CFI in appropiate conditions. So My statement that im not recommending that you do it, and that you are not permitted to do it, is very relevant to weather you you are a CFI or not due to the regulation specifying this as pre requisite.I believe I presented a logical argument as to why I CHOSE to do it with my students. If you have an opinion to the contrary then by all means share it. But please use something to back your opinion. Knife throwing and bunjy jumping anoagolies are not really relevant here. If you believe its not safe then thats your opinion. My opinion is that its not safe for a pilot NOT to understand his machine in ALL realms of flight. Please see my above post for the positive learning outcomes I (and most other instructors who have commented here) believe are possible when the sequence is managed properly.

 

Regardless of opinions, it is a permitted activity in RAA training aircraft. So it appears at least your statements about the 'general consensus' are not accurate.

As far as general consensus is concerned I stand by the accuracy of my point. Aviation is rather larger than RAA. The learning outcomes aren't in dispute, the requirement to stop the engine is. And the general consensus in the aviation industry is that the risk/benefit isn't there. Understanding how a machine behaves in all realms of flight requires a risk/benefit decision, since aviation began this has been an ongoing process. I'm still not hearing an argument that makes deliberately shutting down an engine in an RAA machine any less risky or providing any greater benefit than how the rest of the aviation industry has been providing training for engine outs. Just because you can isn't an argument.

You're obviously comfortable with the risk/benefit, I'm not. I'd hope any prospective training participants would have risk/benefit and the information regarding how and why the greater part of the aviation industry practice doesn't actually stop the engine explained to them so they can make an informed decision regarding their participation.

Nope, not a CFI.

And I don't see the relevance unless we're heading to arguing the man instead of the point.

I've been following aviation related topics for a couple of years and in most parts there seems to be a general consensus regarding most aspects of aviation, be it training, rules, airmanship etc. But, like most things there is conflicting opinions and ideas. Nothing wrong with that, nor in discussing them. Logical argument is good, we can all learn from it.

However, if for example, the general consensus for bungee jumping is to have the rubber band tied to both ankles and someone stands up and says that they are a bungee jumping instructor and it's safe to only tie the rubber band to one ankle as it's good practise then I'm wanting to know how the cost/benefit has altered from the general consensus. If discussion brings up conflicting points then I'm asking for clarification.

Greybeard. Nobody's giving you advice. You arent permitted to to stop the engine and nobody is recommending that you do. The discussion is on the benifits of it being used as a training practice.

Not sure what you meant when you said

Becky, the raa has a facility in the rules for fanstops in the cct with a cfi

I love the advice on this site. With so many real world experts in the aviation industry, who knows how many millions hours of collective wisdom and experience, incident investigations, knowledge etc and every now and then a little gem of wisdom pops up on here that refutes it all.

sigh

Sort of like practicing knife throwing and using yourself as the target, yes, you'd hope to get pretty good at not hitting yourself but the downside would be a bummer

I'm more than happy to practice engine outs, but if you're in an aircraft with me and you deliberately put me at risk by stopping the engine, we're going to have an exchange of unpleasentries.

Here we go, here we go, here we go. Roll up, Roll up, everybody put your best guess down on a piece of paper and we'll go through them all and see you can come up with the best story on what didn't happen.

Roll up, Roll up................

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Thanx Win.Mods. How do i ignore someone? never had to do it before, in 6 years of posting. Sad day.

If the problem was that it was just a newcomer then, yes you are right.An academic forcing propaganda down our throats is a different story

Same as suggesting that an academic has anything to do with the point. It might be an academic argument or an academic point but it's attacking against the person and not the point being argued.

We've most likely all argued 'the man' rather than 'attacked the ball' at times but it's 'attacking the ball' that achieves the result. Which is exactly the point behind what I saw in the moderation of the posts.

upto $0.044 ( inc gst ) now

Doesn't a free and open discussion allow for a newcomer to communicate on a level playing field with other longer posting forum members? Opinion and knowledge doesn't just reside in those who talk more often.

There is a message count alongside each forum members name so people who wish to judge forum content on post count can do so.

I'm not condoning or making comment on posters comment, just that in my opinion post count should not be a prerequisite to how one is perceived or treated. Civility and robust debate should help the cause.

my $0.022 ( inc GST )

Ignoring the fact that this is unqualified advise via the internet, get the aircraft checked out by a licensed AME before anyone flies it again.

It's someone's real rear end at risk not a virtual rear end.

How does having a PLB make it any safer for you flying beneath me?? it actually increases your risk...... another object to fall out and land on your plane beneath me. ;-)I think they should be encouraged and they are a great idea but the whole police state nonsense really gets under my skin. Cant their be a bit more trust after all we are licenced responsible people.

 

How long until we are dictated to have transponders fitted? At least then everyone can fly around with their eyes closed.

As far as trust goes, maybe in utopia and maybe for most people. In reality some people aren't licensed and some aren't responsible. Maybe people who push the 'trust everyone, they're all responsible and always do the right thing' are fuelling the lack of trust

logically, is it necessesary? my maintenance records of engine and airframe are combined. my logbook is sepparate my paper licence is separate, my medical is separate my insurance is separate. just leave us all alone and check valid ID and aircraft reg and serviceability and look us up if they are unsure. a PLB is a crock of wank. another device that we require within the nanny state we live.

And that any requirement to provide proof of compliance to safety regulations is unnecessary and a waste of your time and effort?

Seriously?

May your aviation experience be forever perfect with other licensed, trained, medically fit and airworthy participants who shall only ever descend from the heavens at a location of their choosing.

That's sort of my point if you aren't learning anything relevant to your plane, why not do it on a simulator. Save yourself a ton of cash.

Fat lot of good punching holes in the air with a Jab on a nav endorsement is if you own a rag and tube plane.