Floatplane

Mate check insurances before you proceed, you maybe so shocked you won't go ahead.

Rgs

FP

HelloIm working up a feasibility for a project that if it went ahead is going to need a float access to a remote location in the kimberley.

 

8 - 12 seater flying out of derby and broome in may - sept. Just wondering if anybody here knew anyone or who could point me in any direction.

 

thanks

But do they do amphibs?

Rgs

FP

Before you hand over your hard-earned, consider giving Aaron a call for a quote. He has saved me a lot of money compared to what that other mob was charging and my claim was paid without any hassles at all... kazsome hours later

 

............... yes they do as I found out however its through %$va*"@# QBE :yuk: Nice chap as you said, so thanks :thumb_up:

 

FP

 

Aaron Stephenson

 

RGIB - Rural and General Insurance Brokers

 

Phone: (02) 9466 0080

 

Direct: (02) 9466 0018

 

Fax: (02) 9466 0070

 

Mobile: (0417) 29 2209

 

Email [email protected]

 

Postal Address: GPO BOX 3595 SYDNEY NSW 2001

Know a guy locally that wrote off his AC a few weeks ago less than a year old, insurance paid up in a bit over a week & he even bought the wreck back off them for a bargain (my opinion) price. Must ask him which Company that was with.

Rgs

FP

Anyone had an experience where the Insurer paid out fair and square.It's good to bag the bad guys here but it would be good to know who the good guys are - if there are any.

 

I had Motorcycle insurance with QBE and in the second year the bike was stolen. They coughed up without a murmur. I think you are usually better off with the big boys on insurance. One claim is not going to ruin their year and they depend on having a good name to win and keep business.

 

I have no experience with aviation insurance.

I think it's pretty obvoius to pay out on a bike than a 200k a/c .

You're airborne the instant the rubber loses contact with the surface. Those other definitions sound like they are terms applied to the regulation they contain.

Never heard that one before but I like it! :thumb_up:

Makes sense too, however as stated earlier that needs to be placed or agreed to in writing between insurer and insurance company, trust me with what I witnessed recently with a mates plane (that crashed) would make your hair curl, especially when they "insurance company" try to dodge the bullet.

The moral to this story is - know what you're insured for, because end of the day, they do try "not to pay out" and they in turn should know thier product, it was clear to me they didn't!

Regards

FP

Water Operation 'grey area'

Ok, I heard the reason there was an issue, checked myself and sure enough this guy was correct, there is a problem with some insurance policies especially for those 'not covered for water ops'. Like most, one considers water ops (and its risk factor) when actually "on the water" like if your taxing or about to takeoff and hit something like a boat, pier etc. The trouble is and the example I was given was - if you took off from Rose Bay, crashed on short final at Perth Airport (yes an amphib we're talking about) then you would "NOT" be covered for flight because you conducted "water operations"! yet the definiation of Flight 'internationally" is either a) when under under power or b) when final cabin door is closed thus even water ops your covered under these terms.

It does open up a can of worms I must say - and if you check CASA's defination of 'airborne' for single engine and twins its amazing what you find. Some say, it's airborne when 50' above the surface/ground, others say its the height equal to its wingspan!. Personally I take the risk on the water, if its rough I don't land, if there is traffic (water) I go somewhere else thus reducing the 'risk factor' BUT when airborne I expected to be covered which it appears we are not. My policy is now fixed thanks to this guy, took a bit via my brooker but my advice - check policy and if need be, find another before its too late!

Happy Flying - I think

FP

I'm bringing in a 40' container with a Husky & amphibs from central USA if that helps?

Rgs

FP

WAS???

I can convert someone elses's if they want? I have all the spec's, engineers drawings and the like, plus the place to do it.

Cheers

FP

Have all the data! PM me

Rgs

FP

FPIt would be good to see how Clamar gets on with the floats on a J230.

Any pics would be good

 

Andrew

Hi there Andrew,

I believe it's a J230D

FP

ClamarGlad to see you found a suitable aircraft.

What did you end up buying?

 

Andrew

It's was a J230D

FP

Very good , what model Jab will you be using?

Those guys in Canada are Unrealiable - go your own direction trust me

FP

G,Day Forum,Just bought the best J250 with intention to convert to amphibian mid next year. Has any one seen or heard of a Jabiru J230 or the US J250 as a float plane. I have seen the Jabiru Calypso at Jabiru Canada and while this assists does not run true to form for the extended body J250. I have sourced the 1800 lb Shark composite 4 wheeler retact amphibs for the installation. While the Shark factory will assist and has a lot of knowledge on float installations they have not fitted one specifically to a J250. The Jabby factory in Aus said someone up north was also looking into it. If you are on the forum or know of any information regarding one worldwide please drop me a line. Reading the float install to the Terrier in this months RAA gives a good heads up to the variables that need to be addressed. The less head scratching, tummy rubbing moments incurred, the better. To find, beg, buy, borrow or steal someones setup and advice would be of significant assistance to the project.

Appreciate your assistance.

 

Cheers

 

Rod

 

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Peace of mind comes with knowledge.

 

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disregard

FP

FPHusband decided not to install the flaps or the spades - he says he didn't need the spades as he was 100kg and strong enough to work the ailerons. We are presently in the hangar moving the oil cooler - where did you move yours to?

David

 

Empty weight is 293kg, tandem seating, 65 litre fuel in wings. Still trying to work out fuel consumption in cruise - last trip was about 12 litres an hour. Round steel leg under carriage, 172 main wheel tyres (6x6"), room for 6'8" pilot in the front and 6'2" in the rear seat (but now modified for 4'7" back seat driver & navigator). Flies like a beauty and very easy to land.

 

Sue

rgs

FP

Howdy,

Why did you remove the spads?

Mine operated as a floatpane, never had issues except for overheating which was overcome by moving the oil cooler, apart from that she was a beauty.

PM me with pvt email and shall do, puting over here is way too hard :-)

rgs

FP

:pokerface:

FP,The better half is particularly interested in Diesel engines. He tinkers with everything, and I don't think there is an engine invented that he won't think about improving. He is presently rearranging the oil cooler on the Rotax. He spent about 2 years tracking down a tiny vibration.

He is very much in love with the RANS S7 Courier and wouldn't change a thing (well - probably his decision to use the blue tubing supplied - we had to replace all of that as it prematurely perished). In saying that, he did do some minor modifications for safety and usability, like moving the rudders etc so I could fly it (I am very short).

 

Have not heard how the Gemini 100 engine is going, last we heard it was due in production in April 2011 (2 months ago).

 

Would you care to share some photos of your RANS?

 

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Sue

Just loved it :-)

As Flying Vizsla eluded to, 'mutt muffs' are the answer...:thumb_up:Please whatever you do, don't have your dog unrestrained on the front seat, like some of the pictures of our American cousins!

 

G'day,

Just sent container from West coast = $6200 40' though - cheap!

FP

I am looking at an aircraft from the states. Does anyone have a rough idea of the cost of shipping a 20 foot container from the East coast of the USA .... It will be a complete container I think ... and are there any "gotchas" to look out for?

It's about money :-)

FP

Interesting looking aircraft! one looks to be turbine powered, as for the twin engine side of it, i have the plans for a cri cri in my garage, it is possible to build a multiengine experimental aircraft, but it must be VH rego with the SAAA, when i ordered the plans a few yrs ago there was a bit of a grey area with multi engined RAA aircraft.

I built one, it runs perfect the way it is, why change?

Regards

FP

Have finished building a RANS S7 (a 6 year project) and have flown it for about a year. Did some modifications. Have a Rotax but intend to change to a Gemini diesel engine (presently under development in UK)Willing to discuss with anyone building or contempating.

But... isn't insurance supposed to be in case of something unfortunate happening? Understand that you may not be able to elaborate yet but am very interested in what they are trying to pull on.

FP

I'm also interested in finding out the missing pieces........ please tell us more

Check it out is what advice I give you, before something happens.

rgs

FP

FYI

For those that have insurance with xxE or perhaps others (as they most probably underwrite them anyway), you may want to double check your policy because there seems serious issues which "should something unfortunately happen" they will not pay BUT when challenged in court they haven't a leg to stand on , so my advice -

find someone else ASAP or clear up any issues before the event!

Don't ask, not allowed to say - yet!

FP

I agree with you

FP

GwF&B....Your thoughts and sympathy is much appreciated by the forum members I'm sure. There's not much you can do if the article has gone to print, you could not have forseen this happening, and I'm sure readers will understand your good intentions at this sad time...................................................................Cheers Maj...

In the context of your original post about crossing ocean being safer with floats - knowing my luck there wouldn't be anywhere smooth to land.I think my friend said the buccaneer was limited to waves of less than 1 foot. So essentially in the open waters of say Bass Strait I would have thought that there would be lots of days where floats or floating hull would be not any better than wheels.

Not that I am thinking Bass Strait anyway. I am from Cairns so the warmer but no less choppy waters of the Barrier Reef were more where I had mind. There are more days where you can't land a float plane than can up here.

 

But

Probably getting right done to tick tacks now, but 'open water swells of 1 foot' would be fine in any sea/floatplane as the it's the swell that causes problems not really the size of the wave (well hang on). Let me explain - most swells I've seen (being an ex-surfer, plus I still sail boats in the ocean as well) definately have been high, obvoiusly one must keep away from breaking waves like surf, but if the waves were 50' you could still land (be a brave person) as the distance between those swells are normally around 100' or more . One lands on it's crest, certainly not infront of the oncoming crest. Again, I don't recommend it but it can be done, however in Port Phillip Bay the swell is around 20' (on those windy days) thus the term 'choppy conditions' pretty much represent the conditions here, in the ocean though it's different and very much survivable, rivers? well thats totally different of cause. Up your way of really rough days, one lands on the 'sheltered side of an Island/reef or river and I'm not surprised the Buccy has a limitation, but its mainly due to that engine pod you'll find, least thats what I remember it to be.

Regards

FP

Well I guess there is some truth there by design, however I've no intention to land in conditions (in either floating hull or floatplane) where this will ever be an issue - your talking about major waves in excess of 3' and trust me, unless it's a forced landing you'd want to avoid. It's like landing in a cross wind 2 times your a/c demonstrated limit, when there is a perfectly good runway pointing into wind! If waves are that bad you simply don't land or find a sheltered spot where it's calm. In Melbourne's Port Phillip Bay it happens a lot, I just go somewhere smooth :-)

I've seen 2 Buckies that broke in half doing just that, became so rough that the engine pod fell off and went through tail section still turning! No thanks.

Rgs

FP

I have no personal experience of floats but have a friend who has owned a Lake Bucaneer and now a C 206 on floats and I have heard him say that floats are actually quite restricted - can't land when there is more than a very light swell or waves.