ab0767

I just replied and the message went to another thread I love technology. If its the silver one BEWARE it was ditched in the drink off Stradbroke Island (owner confirmed - didn't think it was a problem). L2 told me it was a project at best and worth $10k at best. This is why the engine was overhauled at 60hrs. I didn't buy it for this reason

http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/drifter-structuralfailure.htm

If that is the silver one, full pod with engine 50 hrs since overhaul. Then you should know that the engine was overhauled because he ditched it in the drink off Stradbroke Island. I didn't buy it for that reason. See link below. L2 maintainer advised me that it is worth $10k at most and is a project for anyone who buys it. The owner admitted to the ditching and didn't think it was a problem

http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/drifter-structuralfailure.htm

I haven't flown the tailwheel but the nosewheel is a good all round strong plane. It is designed as an allrounder and the performance is just that - 80kn cruise, 4 hrs fuel STOL is good - not as good as a storch. Somewhere between a drifter and a Jab is how I would describe it. Great to fly and factory back up is available in Ballina NSW. Not much luggage space. I like them - lots of fun, good visability and reliable, easy to fly

The reason that brought it back up is that it was a very good question, the guidelines are as clear as mud and I thought clarity should be brought to the question. Hence I put it to the operations manager of RA-AUS for the "official" interpretation. Copy of the email below. Mick also quotes CAR 5.72, yes you can carry passengers but only in the local area 10nm for GPFT holders 25nm for RA-AUS pilot certificate holders, no further. Copy of email below.

________________________________

> From: [email protected]

> To: [email protected]

> Subject: RE: Carrying of passengers on solo nav

> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:01:44 +1100

>

>

> True… a person under instruction for x country whether it be solo or dual is still under instruction and hence is a student.

>

>

>

> Mick Poole

>

> RA-Aus Operations Manager

>

> ph: 0400 280087 / 0262 804700

>

> From: Adrian Burley [mailto:[email protected]]

> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:56 PM

> To: Mick Poole

> Subject: RE: Carrying of passengers on solo nav

>

>

>

> This applies to a student pilot. The enquiry related to a person that holds an RAA certificate with a passenger endorsement. I suppose that it is an arguement of whether someone undertaking Xcountry endorsement is a "Student". Thanks for the prompt reply

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> > From: [email protected]

> > To: [email protected]

> > Subject: RE: Carrying of passengers on solo nav

> > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:19:31 +1100

> >

> > Hi Adrian,

> >

> > Our ops manual is a guide to RA-Aus operations. Not only do we have to

> > abide by the Ops manual but by all the relevant CAR's etc that we are not

> > specifically exempt from. This is indicated in our ops manual in the

> > introduction, specifically the last highlighted note in the Introduction.

> > AS for the the specific rule for not carrying passengers on navs, this can

> > be found in the CAR's, the specific section I have attached.

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Mick Poole

> > RA-Aus Operations Manager

> > ph: 0400 280087 / 0262 804700

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Adrian Burley [mailto:[email protected]]

> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:02 PM

> > To: [email protected]

> > Subject: Carrying of passengers on solo nav

> >

> >

> > A question was raised on the recreational aviation forum about the legality

> > of carrying a passenger on solo navex. I read the ops manual and it does not

> > state NO, an oversight I am sure. Common sense would say no.

> >

> > Sect 2.07-9 of the ops manual states:

> >

> > PASSENGER CARRIAGE LIMITATIONS

> >

> > 9. No Pilot Certificate holder shall carry passengers in an ultralight

> > aeroplane unless:

> >

> >

> > a. they have a minimum of 5 hours experience as pilot in command on an

> > aircraft of the same group (Section 2.04) as the aircraft which will be used

> > for the carriage of passengers; and

> >

> >

> > b. during the last 90 days they have carried out at least 3 take-offs and 3

> > landings while flying as pilot in command, or while flying as pilot under

> > the supervision of an AUF instructor, of an aircraft of a "similar" type as

> > that to be used for the carriage of passengers; and

> >

> >

> > c. they are medically fit and have signed a medical declaration that they

> > meet a medical standard equivalent to that required for the issue of a

> > private motor vehicle licence in Australia.

> >

> > Maybe Para 9a should be ammended to include pilot certificate endorsements.

> > e.g. of an aircraft type (Section 2.04) for which they hold a group

> > endorsement (Section 2.05 refers)

> >

> > Yours in safe flying

No you can't. Its against the CAR's for an instructor to allow a student to carry passengers . Penalty 50 Penalty units. A person under instruction for x country whether it be solo or dual is still under instruction and hence is a student. Source Mick Poole operations manager Ra-Aus. If you want a copy of the email pls ask and I will forward it for you

The MTOW for the LSA category (different set of rules) is 600kg, everything else is 544kg max

It is my understanding - and correct me if I am wrong, the actual aircraft has a MTOW of 550kg. The rules we fly under (RAA) state the MTOW is 544kg, this has nothing to do with the plane it is just a figure that was made up when RAA negotiated with CASA. Likewise in Europe, they negotiated the figure of 450kg.

The absurd thing to me is that somebody actually has to sit down and encode them in the first place and now that Real pilots have to be able to speak English, maybe they could also learn to read it. If a plain english report saved 1 life or prevented 1 accident it would be worth it.

lismore is much closer than tyagarah as you have to drive through lismore to get there, or go through the hills which takes longer but is more scenic. There are several private strips around Nimbin, some of which you wold have to be a braver man than me to attempt a landing on. You could give Wayne Fisher at spectrum aviation a ring he has a very good knowledge of the area. http://WWW.spectrumaviation.com.au

thanks I love these. After 2 metres of rain since Xmas its about as close as I can get to actually flying. Keep em coming friends

The problem is that the US dollar is invariably used in international deals. It is now worth diddly squat and the euro is $1.57 against it, so by the time you convert Euro to us dollars and then to Auzzie dollars we loose big time. If the importers did the deal in Euros then the plane would be much cheaper. If we did this we would then be a terrorist organisation plotting the downfall of Uncle Sam. Its the same senario of banks having to increase interest rates above the reserve bank rate because their borrowing costs have increased, when in act the interest rates in the US are at record lows ( which is where we are borrowing the money from)

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/airliners_videos.htm

perfect for those rainy days - some of us do have too many ( lately)

The speed of the plane is relative to the airmass, which is stationary (hence the need for ASI). The belt speed and the wheel speed have nothing to do with the Planes speed. The thrust is applied to the airmass via the propellor, not via the wheels on the belt

The plane will actually fly.

The clue is that the conveyer belt will travel at the same SPEED as the plane, therefore the plane must be moving creating airflow over the wings.

If the plane in fact stayed stationary it's speed would be zero, and the conveyer would stop.

The plane accelerates - as it moves FORWARD at 1kn the belt starts and goes 1kn in the opposite direction and the wheels go 2 kn. The plane is still going forward at 1kn.

When the forward speed of the plane reaches take off speed, the plane takes off. The conveyerbelt is only affecting the speed of the wheels.

It took a while to get it

I rang Lifeline the other day.

I got someone in the Middle east

I told them I was suicidal

They got all excited and asked me if I could fly a plane

Ferry Pilot?????

Good God man - whats wrong with you, go and get your XC endorsement - you have untill Easter

I prefer to spend most of my time in the air and out of circuit, if I was only doing circuits I would agree -but I don't

get the rego of the air craft and submit incidenmt report to RAAUS, and let the owner explain, keep it simple,. I replied to another question just getting used to the website, apologies to whatever I initialy replied to message is the same - rules are made for idiots and the rest of us MUST comply

Get the registration of the aircraft involved and submit an incident report to RAAUS. let the owner of the plane explain why he is letting a dickhead fly at 300ft. My grandfather told me that accidents are natures way of getting dickheads out of the gene pool - so don't be a dickhead. There is no need for confrontation, merely a need to let the powers that be handle the situation. REG 149 should allow this, so go on line and get it passed

high or low

personally I like to be high - hence the passion for flying. Fighter aircraft are low wing - cargo are high wing- speed vs. load. Do you want to fight or carry a load and go some where, and live comfortably. An old yarn in aviation is a conversation between a fighter pilot and a bomber - the bomber pilot told the fighter to watch this, when nothing happened the bomber said I streched my legs and made a cup of coffee. The answer to your question is what do you want your plane to do for you. The plane will always do what you tell it to do - right or wrong, choice is yours

Im off on my first big nav adventure from YBNA to YSDU and am keen for a hanger for the CFI'S ( cranky flying instructor) jabiru - anyone got one for the long weekend in Oct. Also any advice re local conditions would be appreciated. Men E Tanks