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Just a point of etiquette Graham, all capitals is considered as shouting and therefore a no-no for normal conversations. Caps off please.

sorry mate

graham

Turbs,I believe it was one of the new arrow wings on the trike as 2 new arrow winged 912's were getting ferried back to Yarrawonga, hope it wasn't a failure.

 

Alf

but with David having over 270 hrs TT or more i am leaning more to health or structural??

A SAD AND TRAGIC END TO A GUY WHO LOVED AND LIVED FOR HIS HOBBY!

I am certain David would of practised reguarly emergency landings,,,

Regards GRAHAM

As they say in the EAA mag:"Not alone into the sunset, but in the company of those who went before him"

Sincere sympathy to the family and the community of friends and pilots who knew him.

MY HEART GOES OUT TO HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND HIS MATE WHO WAS BESIDE HIM WHEN HE WAS TAKEN FROM US,,

WE WILL MISS HIS SMILE ,HIS NATURE,HIS CONVERSATION AND GREAT MOVIES /PICTURES HE SHARED WITH US,

A TRUE GENTLEMAN,,,

MAY HIS SPIRIT SOAR WITH EAGLES AND SMILE DOWN UPON US,,

REST IN PEACE MATE.

REGARDS GRAHAM CAMPION AND FAMILY,

MAY THIS BE OUR LAST FOR SOME TIME IT HURTS EVEN MORE WHEN YOU KNOW THEM,,

Exactly the opposite. You want your doctor to earn enough that he can pay to go on his own to non drug company sponsored conferences. And to subscribe to peer reviewed journals not freebie glossies from the drug companies.

think an stk 3 would do me fine but still would not pay $65k to sit out in the open!!!!

there are way to many bargins around well under that price?

hi guys worst case scenario,i spoke to a guy on sat when i picked up my xt912 sst tundra,

he went all the way to perth for a bargin got it back to yarrawaonga only to find the base bar was bent and had very low hrs,

my point is thou,airborne only charged him $800 to fit the base bar and a new windscreen,

even if you do find a cheap one that does need minor repairs its not like its going to break the bank to repair it,,,

and as bluey stated there are alot on the market all around the $35 k mark with 300 to 400 hrs and all tourers with stk 3 wings ?

personally i still cannot see why they are $88k brand new ,if i personally was going to spend $88k on an aircraft it would be enclosed and 100knots with all the bells and whistles,

or $88k could also put you in the ga category with a full licence????

another quick point of concern is why are raa instructors on $120 an hr in your aircraft? or more ,even local ga instructors here [albury]are only $105 hr?????

my doctor is only on $75.00 hr,

are we pushing our sport into an unaffordable hobby????

Cheers

gaham

Glad to hear it from the horses mouth slarti,this was my observation, not pointing any fingers. I wasn't going to mention names anyway. It certainly was spectacular from where I saw, I can only imagine what it was like for you guys. It takes courage to admit your errors and in an open forum especially and for that I have the deepest respect for. Steve

but was very worried on departure ,we had a jab call base but he was actually on final? and then called final as his wheels touched down???????????????

as we proceded to taxi out after a radio call and permission to do so from marshalls a second jab was spotted on final with no radio calls at all,or the my headset and the pilots must be faulty?

during the day gyro copters pulled straight out in front of a rv 4 and he had to go around,the second was a jab and he had to go around,,

makes us wonder on what happened to all our basics aviate communicate and navigate,,

to alot of people it made us look like a 3 ring circus!

or was there 2 marshalls lookin in opposite directions?

next yr i think i will drive!

You haven't failed Andy, some people refuse to accept common sense, might need to get detective inspector John to do a factual and graphic seminar at NATFLY next year on the causes to get rid of the "it can't happen to me" attitude.As for no one stepping in to prevent an accident, I blame society for the fear of offending culture that now permeates everything

however we all know the risk taking off so late and they may even have had a head wind?which prob made the trip longer than normal?

as pilot in command one must look at the risk and access the situation and knowling be aware of his or her actions,

its a very sad and tragic news and my condolences to family and friends,,,

i hope we all learn from mishaps and take extra care so no more of these happen,,

TAKE CARE PLAN CHECK AND ENJOY,

Just opened my copy of sports pilot today and read about an incident involving an Airborne SST having a very hard landing resulting in the instructor and student on their BFR being seriously injured. Anyone know anything about this? I'm not sure how old the incident is but it is in this months issue. If anyone has any further information about this we would like to hear about it as we fear we may know the persons involved.Bluey.

and am worried at the amount of older xt912 trikes on the market most with sst wings fitted????

is there something we do not know about them?

rumour has it airborne is about to release a new upgraded sst wing?

i dont know what other people think but it does not look good from a buyers stance i think i will start looking for streak 3 xt912

While it's true there are some who don't understand the basics, David, I don't agree there's a lot, because I'm finding most pilots do have the basics. Admittedly, there are the few Know All Know F**k Alls (KAKFAs) who annoy the bejeezus out of the rest of us when they don't read their ERSA. But I'm finding even they respond reasonably well to polite reminders.Here at Gunnedah, we have our own CTAF freq of 127.4, and we have R/H ccts on RNWY 29 to minimize traffic overflying the town. It's not at all uncommon for people to overfly to join the circuit with out having made any transmissions on CTAF. A gentle broadcast from the ground on 126.7 stating Gunnedah's CTAF is 127.4 and RNWY 29 has R/H ccts usually fixes the problem real quick and with no hassles...

some actually learn more and remember a polite conversation with helpfull hints,

That's a worry.

These guys have some very expensive hardware at stake, not to mention minimal chance of surviving if it goes wrong. Not for me, but I wish I had that kind of skill.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgkKP_fDsKc

ADF loves wasting money on hitech toys.We already have a decent amount of drones as they have proven themselves to be a cost effective platform but its unlikely as the airforce wants the latest toys to play with.

as for the f 35 with the yanks building a base up north why are we wasting money i am certain there is something as good or better out there that would of been delivered on time and within budget sounds like the old f111 saga all over again ops ,,,,

I went looking for a diagram of the sections that we designed in Australia but could only find the text below. We certainly did a lot of the structural design of the bellmouth area.http://www.business.vic.gov.au/BUSVIC/STANDARD/PC_64615.html

the pilots must have a lot of faith in the under carraige there was a few landings that did the old bounce test,

looks like less and less crew needed now with machines like this??

RAA is not investigating Ben (see earlier news reports), just us kangaroos commenting. We can't investigate or convict him either, so he's safe from us.He's not a member of RAA and his aircraft is not RAA registered.

i was a little angry as some of my mates where the one s buzzed at low level and took photo s,

had my 2 cents worth,,

time will tell and judgement passed upon him fines or other wise,,

sorry if i up set anyone,

cheers graham,

You have every right to be wild campslive, both RAA and CASA would be silly not to go over the Riverina and NE Vic with a fine tooth comb in case there are more like him.

also with casa linked to raa what new pressure and rule changes are going to be inforced upon us?

one fool makes it hard for the true avaitors of the raa who enjoy the sport stick to the rules and live and breath there sport and aircraft,,

it only takes one to stuff it for the rest of us,

he could have been smarter and removed his numbers as well ?

i really hope the raa and casa set a good example and punish the pilot and not the rest of us,,,,

if that was me i would be behind bars now some people have all the luck,

he will prob get banned for life from flying for life and a fine for intoxication????

TIME WILL TELL,

I wonder IF there will be public / government pressure to have the ATSB look at this one??Probably not.

Cheers

and now casa have inspected the aircraft that is sitting behind a mechanics workshop in holbrook,

the pilot was rather lucky the instrument panel has disappeared so they cannot check them out,

there is a very large cut in the boom so the motor was running well?

there is also alot of video footage and photos been handed in,and have appealed for more,,

who knows what the wraith of these guys may bear down on the pilot?

a good warning to us all fly safe and do not do silly things with technology today every man kid and dog has a mobile phone with a camera/video,

ONE LAST POINT THE PILOT STATED HIS ALT INDICATED 500 FT,,I AM JUST WONDERING HOW HE COULD MISTAKE 3FT ABOVE THE WATER TO 500 FT IS THERE REALLY THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE THAT ONE CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE??????

I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS GUY DOING CIRCUITS,, AND WHAT HEIGHT DOES HE DO THEM AT?

according to a mate who used his boat to pull the sapphire in,he was approx 2ft off the water doing steep turns than flying low again first turn looked great then he circled another boat and the right wing tip entered the water,and in she went he was floating in the water when they got too him beside his boat,

few other friends called saying he was doing loops over bowna area heading to ebden where he went in ?i was not there but mate sent some photos he took its a write off broke the boom just behind the pilot seat,

i was not there just written what i have been told!

Hi Graham. Sucks when a plane you want to buy turns out to be not what you expect. I had that happen on my first purchase. Was suppose to be ready to fly & wasn't. Bought it anyway and didn't regret but was choked at the time.What was the 618 like? I have flown behind 503 and 582 engines but never the 618. Don't see many in North America because only sold for a few years. The 912 on the X Air I flew really wasn't completely suitable. Too much power and at low rpm in the air bounced the plane around with the prop wash. But comfortable plane to fly most of the time.

have not flown any other motors but there is a jabiru powered one over here for sale but they are well known for short life span and heating proplems,,

Do you have the F or H model? I flew the F model with a 912 and it was a strange handling machine at low power settings - mostly from the prop wash. This plane cruised at no more than 55 kts (but then the school limited us students to 4400 rpm). I was bothered by wind when I started out but now I look at it as a challenge (keeping in mind that I never exceed my or the plane's limits). On the other hand, it is certainly restful and peaceful flying under ideal (i.e. no wind) conditions occasionally.I am also going through the process of finding a faster plane than my Rans (~85 kts). But cost is the problem. We are a little more lucky than your in Australia because no import duties anymore for bringing in US LSA aircraft. And as the US economy sinks, so does the price of used aircraft. But still very expensive and currently beyond my means.

mine is an early 98 model

airframe totally rebuilt by previous owner,

installed new wiring icom radio and new 582blue head and new prop and gearbox,,

he did 12 odd hrs and lived a long way from holbrook airfield,,

at the time i had a 99 model with 618 rotax and sold it to purchase a 2005 model x air with 36 hrs but got all the way to narrabri 10hr drive or more only to find bent under carriage etc,,

not as advertised,, IT REALLY UPSETS ME WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT HONEST AND PUT MINIMAL INFO ON THERE ADVERTISEMENTS,,,

even worse after a 10 hr drive ,it took some great deal of control to keep one self polite ,,

he had a level 2 inspection done but half the exhaust springs where missing and it got worse,,

and i was supposed to fly it home after the owner had it ready to fly????

oh well ended up buying the 98 model,,great machine

but am at a stage want to pay the mortgage out completly within 3 years so looks like might have to down grade back to an early model tike shortly??

cheers graham

I have a mate on a station with one and he flys in all weather and winds, daily. They are fine in wind once you get to know them and quite manouverable also. Better to land in wind than say a Thruster IMOP..........................Maj...

but i give the trhuster one thing it only bent a spring and a little nose pod rearranging ops!!!!!

to my half owner brothers bewilderment,,

that ended my thruster days and back to my beloved trike,,,

until i found the x air,,,

cheers graham

Hi Campslive. I flew the X Air in Portugal in reasonably rough weather. 20-25 kts partial crosswind on landing, some rough flying at altitude. It is similar to most ultralights in that once you relax and control rather than fight the aircraft, then it flies very nicely. Rudders are critical in it (same with my Rans). Since you have only 40 hours in it, you probably have a lot of growth in understanding all aspects of flight (especially different conditions when landing). Going from my Rans to the X Air I found it very limited in speed. If you want to travel further than something faster is needed (or more patience!). But do you think your have mastered it completely? My instructors in Portugal thought it a great trainer because you need to fly it. I would agree.By the way, what engine do you have in it?

 

Geoff

and i agree i do not think i have completly mastered the beast,,we have had some really horrible weather of late 15 to 20 knot winds up to 3000 ft then increasing to 25t

makes flying uncomfortable even when using just the rudder you start wishing you were down stairs looking up,,i dont think the weather would be any better in a trike maybe worse?

as for landings have them pretty down pat even in crosswinds,,,got caught in 20 knot winds changing from 140deg to 170,,,

i love the challenge of having to fly the beast but am not enjoying the winds of late ,,,

and like wise would love something faster than 65knots indicated but what do you buy that does not cost an arm and a leg?

over here [australia] we get bitten quite hard gst on gst on gst oh i forgot import cost,,,

other problem is importers get a little creedy and like a little more cream on there cake !

same your way?

cheers graham

Hi Ryan. I am a Canadian ultralight pilot but I recently (last month) took a British Microlight licence in Portugal. I flew the X-Air with a 912 engine there (I flew about 20 plus hours). It is slow but it handled winds up to about 20 knots easily. I own a Rans S6 and the X Air handles quite differently on landing but I was comfortable by the time I finished. No problems.

other than that yes the x air is a great first aircraft and great hour builder,,,

i started in trikes and then thruster back to trikes and after 40 odd hrs in x airs am wondering what the next step is,,

from where i am sitting that slightly faster asi made us feel a little bit better,maybe we were not actually going any faster but after being aroung 35-40 and actaully reaching 45 with such a small change i guess only now we can try a gps and see what we are doing? who knows only the gods may answer this one??????ps it would be great if anybody knows if this does or does not work because i notice airborne are now selling them on there new xt912 s,does it work for them or just deflect air??????

hi guys,my brother and myself fly with a wizard and 582 & made a slightly larger windscreen that goes up higher and deflects air over your passenger,cruise is now around 43-45 knots more 43 at 4800rpm,its made from 1.5mm polycarbonate plastic and held on by the 2 side screen retaining screws and double sided tape,maybe its just or imagination but this does seem to work with even the passengers saying its not as windy,but more time will tell as we use it more...like everybody else we would love a streak wing but at $8200 t gst that will take some time to save..

hi giorgio,i started learning in a xt912 ,and just bought a edge x582 with wizard wing,i have flown a few hours in my own now and are not far off solo,the 582 is great but the biggest thing i had to consider was weight,being 6ft tall and 94 kgs i have to ensure that with a passenger it has the power to get off the ground easily,some thing the 503 may struggle a little with 2 heavy people on board ,good luck in your search....campslive