John G

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email

[email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

[email protected]

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email [email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to [email protected] by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

Hi Everyone,

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

My details are:

Email [email protected]

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

PO Box 154

Wardell NSW 2477

Member #5334

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to [email protected] by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

Regards,

John Gardon

I need to put something clearly in perspective. The RA-Aus constitution does not set out how someone can resign from a board, only that they can resign. As this point is not covered we must refer back to the Corporations Act 2011 to establish how that is done. The Corporations Act 2011 requires that a resignation must be in writing to the registered office of the company:203A Director may resign by giving written notice to company (replaceable rule—see section 135)

A director of a company may resign as a director of the company by giving a written notice of resignation to the company at its registered office.

 

An email to individuals on the board is not a written resignation submitted to the registered office of RA-Aus. There was therefore no legal resignation and that means no need to have this discussion.

 

The board has not acted outside its authority, no legal resignation had been received. The vote held was not needed but was held in any event.

 

Regards

Please read all the documentation at www.gardon.com.au and all the info on the Board Forum regarding my resignation and withdrawal and tell me how it differs from this situation. What is good for the goose is good for the gander! By the way the Board spent lot's of Money to prove that a resignation could not be withdrawn. How is this situation different. Steve should at least re-stand, like I did, and face the verdict of his constituents. In my case like Whitlam, you fade into history knowing you were right; and those that did not learn from it have to re-live it!

JG

Am thinking of dragging the family up to this event at Evans head in Jan 2013 and was wondering if it is worth it? I have given NATFLY the flick for next year after this years disappointment. Is there camping onsite and does it usually get a good turn out? I know its been washed out a few times I think but I doubt we will get that this time around.Keen to hear others input. Sounds like a nice spot!

 

Scotty

Camping under the wing is allowed and plenty of friendly locals to give a lift into town etc.

JG

Turboplanner,I see by the trheads down south that the legal opinion for the ex Runmancin reincarniation was actually information to the board in 2008 re John Gardon. A totally different case and circumstances. The tone of the post was that the legal opinion was "current" legal opinion. Just another little slip from the ex president and manipulation of the truth.

Not quite sure whether you are refering to me as the ex-president. Seing as I am the only ex president posting on here I can assure you I have not manipulated the truth in any of my postings.

Thanks for your comments Mick. Most aviators are going to see the pricing on the USA news sites where the prices shown are before taxes as this varies from state to state. FT also forgets that we don't keep the GST, our friend Mr Swan grabs that very quickly, both on clearing customs(which we claim back every three months) and again when we sell the aircraft. So the price before GST was to compare Apples with Apples.Shipping rates do vary and it depends on what you are prepared to pay. We have done the low cost route before only to have November containers, for example, spend over six weeks in Port Kelang while priority was given to the Christmas stock of major department stores in Australia. Chinese shipping companies offer good rates but with transhipments via mainland China ports. So we pay the extra dollars and get Italy - Australia direct. The most competitive and cheapest container route is between Europe and North America, which is why retail pricing is often lower in the USA for European aircraft compared to Australia. There are also hidden costs here. If AQIS decide a container is dirty on the outside, $150 to transport to the wash site, up to $200 for washing and $150 for transport back to the bond area. Since the wharfies locked an AQIS inspector in a container as a joke, AQIS can now ask for containers to be unloaded for inspection and repacked afterwards. Extra costs plus the need for an aviation person to supervise to prevent damage. (This unpacking of containers is guaranteed for anyone bringing in a second hand aircraft)

 

The Tecnam Classic Lite is a very basic entry level aircraft that goes back to Tecnam's original 1992 designs. The base aircraft starts at 270kg with one 45 litre tank in one wing (like the origional J3 Cub) and the customer can option up from there. Options, however add weight and the aim is entry level flying/training and not safaris over thousands of miles carrying the kitchen sink. It really is a return to grass roots pleasure flying. The original 80 hp Echo's probably have the finest flying characteristics of all the Tecnam models. (95 kts and 1000 fpm climb solo is quite respectable). Add to that low octane ULP for fuel instead of Premium ULP, every 10 cents per litre helps!

 

An Utralight MTOW of 500 kg will apply here in Australia for the Tecnam Classic Lite. The Max rough airspeed is 108 knots which exceeds the cruise speed and would only be encountered on descent, so not an issue in cruise. I think most of us slow down for comfort reasons in turbulence, even if the VNO allows higher speeds.

I used to think that the life of an aircraft importer was like rolling in clover! That was until I ended up broke trying to import a quality aircraft. That is why I now have more grey hairs than before.

Good luck with the new offering.

JG

Hi All,Tonight I was asked by one of the members about a vote to accept Steve Runciman's withdrawal of resignation. I told this person I knew nothing about the vote.

 

The normal process when there is a Board vote is to email and/or phone all members to tell them there is a vote so they can go to the Board forum. Apparently I was missed this time. It happens.

 

I logged on to the Board Forum just now and there was indeed a formal vote. There were also extracts from the legal opinion the Board received after the JG matter. (There was not a new legal opinion). I remembered this bit of legal advice. "Once done it is done" However there was also advice that in the event of a withdrawal of resignation the Board could vote to either accept or reject the withdrawal. A Proper Board vote was held and the majority of the Board has voted to accept the withdrawal.

 

I voted no, but my vote had no relevance. Jim is correct in his post above. Until my vote tonight there were no, NO votes. A majority had been achieved before I voted. Mine was just a token vote. I must now accept the majority decision. Steve Runciman has been voted back as President.

 

John McK

Can you inform this forum whether the original resolution by the board not to accept a retraction of resignation has ever been rescinded?

And if not, do you consider the current motion legal?

Have Fun! I actually know that you will. They are great aeroplane surpassed only by the original A22 broad tail.

As a new member to the board I am trying to keep the masses on this forum informed. Please be mindful what I am posting is correct to the best of my knowledge. As to a board member not being able to vote I believe is incorrect as we all have access to the board members forum to which is our primary form of communications.Regards,

 

Jim tatlock.

Thanks for taking the time to talk to members. Please don't take my comments as personally attributed to you. Welcome as our representative, please proceed with "eyes wide open"

Your post response: I really hope that is the case!

I actually set up and ran the Board member Forum from its inception as means of accountability, transparency and audit trail much to the chagrin of long standing Board members.

The situation in the past was that some Board members would cite viruses and other problems with their Email for lack of action or response to their expected Board duties.

The Board Forum was an excellent tool for for getting the same information out to all Board members and ensuring that all were singing from the same sheet of music and their actions or inactions recorded for posterity.

I have no way of knowing since I left the Board, but some Previous Board members who left after my time tell me that the old guard reverted to using selective Emails to conduct business leaving some Board members in the know and others not. It should be easy for you to check, just go back and look at all the Board business and if there are big gaps you will know I am right.

While Pres I also insisted on weekly status reports be posted on the forum from the CEO, OPS Manager and Tech Manager so that the Exec and Board were on top of any developing issues. I believe that stopped right after I vacated the position. Check for yourself, but I do still have some sources that tell me that is what occurred. When there is no accountability by the CEO and Managers back to the Board, is how we got into the sorry mess we are now in.

Please tell me I am wrong.

In any case a vote by the Board on the Forum was always set as a 7 day minimum to allow for debate and discussion before a vote and the fact that Board members may be away from their computers for a couple of days. If in the rare occasion that an emergency vote was required a phone poll would be conducted with all responses duly recorded. I leave it up to you to ascertain whether due process was followed, particularly when we have some Board members telling us they never got an opportunity to vote.Or does the Secreatary just phone the folks he thinks he will get a yes vote from and then declare the motion carried once he gets a majority.

Please tell us it aint so.

I wonder what ASIC would do if a group of members had a chat to their local member of the non-labor varity.'Can the minister for transport (or whatever department they call it now) please advise the house on what efforts are being made to insure that some 3000 small aircraft and 8000 pilots are being regulated and managed correctly'

For the sake of continuity between the two threads I am reposting from the other.

priteah said: ↑

David the majority of the board voted yesterday to accept the presidents withdrawal of resignation. In fact no-one voted against it. There is a legal opinion from slater and Gordon, I'm not sure if that is an archive opinion or fresh

Regards,

Jim.

Jim,

Please consider the following letter I received back in 2008:

Recreational Aviation Australia Inc.

ABN 40 070 931 645

PO Box 1265 3/1 Pirie Street,

FYSHWICK ACT 2609

1st October 2008

Mr. John Gardon

P.O. Box 154

WARDELL,

N.S.W., 2477

Dear Mr. Gardon,

Re: decision of the board relating to withdrawal of a resignation

with regard to your request for withdrawal of your resignation from the RA-Aus board, the

RA-Aus board has made a decision that a withdrawal of a letter of resignation from a

board member will not be accepted.

Yours sincerely,

Lynn Jarvis

Secretary

Recreational Aviation Australia Inc.

When I contacted the secretary at the time he told me that a resolution had been passed that once a Board member or executive member tendered his resignation or even an intent to resign then that resignation could not be withdrawn. The resolution had been passed on legal advice received at the time.

Now, unless there is a rescission of that motion the board ( at least those that were asked to vote) have all acted illegally and against legal advice as well as good governance practice.

I'm somewhat mystified at the legal advice obtained: The president resigns at 05:30??? Monday 26th November and Legal advice obtained by 1300 on Tuesday to enable a motion with a proposer and seconder; and sufficient time to discuss and debate and a vote carried by late Tuesday of all Board members geographically dispersed around Australia. Come ON. Did they really expect that you came down in the last shower? I'm sure when an investigation is carried out in the future whether it be by ASIC or some other body there will be a lot of unanswered questions; just as the members currently have. By the way the members have a legitimate claim to see the legal advice that was obtained and paid for by the members, and in due course will demand it. I hope it is there with a readily available audit trail.

How come some Board members were not invited to participate in the discussion or vote?? Another illegality!

Jim, not attacking you. Just asking you to consder the facts. Been there done that and don't want to see someone else get caught.

David the majority of the board voted yesterday to accept the presidents withdrawal of resignation. In fact no-one voted against it. There is a legal opinion from slater and Gordon, I'm not sure if that is an archive opinion or freshRegards,

 

Jim.

Please consider the following letter I received back in 2008:

Recreational Aviation Australia Inc.

ABN 40 070 931 645

PO Box 1265 3/1 Pirie Street,

FYSHWICK ACT 2609

1st October 2008

Mr. John Gardon

P.O. Box 154

WARDELL,

N.S.W., 2477

Dear Mr. Gardon,

Re: decision of the board relating to withdrawal of a resignation

with regard to your request for withdrawal of your resignation from the RA-Aus board, the

RA-Aus board has made a decision that a withdrawal of a letter of resignation from a

board member will not be accepted.

Yours sincerely,

Lynn Jarvis

Secretary

Recreational Aviation Australia Inc.

When I contacted the secretary at the time he told me that a resolution had been passed that once a Board member or executive member tendered his resignation or even an intent to resign then that resignation could not be withdrawn. The resolution had been passed on legal advice received at the time.

Now, unless there is a rescission of that resolution the board ( at least those that were asked to vote) have all acted illegally and against legal advice as well as good governance practice.

I'm somewhat mystified at the legal advice obtained: The president resigns at 05:30??? Monday 26th November and Legal advice obtained by 1300 on Tuesday to enable a motion with a proposer and seconder; and sufficient time to discuss and debate and a vote carried by late Tuesday of all Board members geographically dispersed around Australia. Come ON. Did they really expect that you came down in the last shower? I'm sure when an investigation is carried out in the future whether it be by ASIC or some other body there will be a lot of unanswered questions; just as the members currently have. By the way the members have a legitimate claim to see the legal advice that was obtained and paid for by the members, and in due course will demand it. I hope it is there with a readily available audit trail.

How come some Board members were not invited to participate in the discussion or vote?? Another illegality!

Jim, not attacking you. Just asking you to consder the facts. Been there done that and don't want to see someone else get caught.

David the majority of the board voted yesterday to accept the presidents withdrawal of resignation. In fact no-one voted against it. There is a legal opinion from slater and Gordon, I'm not sure if that is an archive opinion or freshRegards,

 

Jim.

I wonder whether you have had the wool pulled over your eyes. Prior to your post I was speaking with a Board member that advised me that he was not asked to vote nor did he cast a vote either way because he was never included in the vote or the issues debated in any form whatsoever! How can a Board function like that? So did you receive a phone call canvassing your opinion and then it was taken as a vote?

Where is due process and deliberation of all the facts and precedents that is expected of an office bearer?

Jim, tread carefully. They will play you for a patsy. Just make sure you are familiar with your duties and responsibilities under ASIC. Replying that Middo told you it would be OK will not be a defence!

To All Interested RAAus Members,An email was sent to Steve Runciman today asking him bluntly "Did he submit a letter of resignation to RAAus as President".

 

He has been open & honest in his reply stating that he did in fact submit a letter of resignation to RAAus on Monday 26.11.12 to RAAus, & during mid week he obtained a legal opinion about wanting to withdraw this resignation letter & the legal advise received indicated that this would be in order to do so, which the Board accepted.

John, would you care to share the original communication with this forum? I have been in communication with a board member within the last couple of minutes and he tells me has not been consulted or asked to vote on the matter and is totally flabbergasted at what I conveyed to him about what was contained in your post.

I am concerned by the fact that the office staff have time to be preparing and sending 11 page faxes to members at this time... The fact they have that time worries me more than if they had taken a month....

We have heard from the Pres that the bottleneck is the consultant has to clear things with CASA first, if there is nothing for the staff to process; then actioning members requests as they are able shows that some levels are still functioning well.

One can only imagine the scene in Canberra, the staff should be applauded for working through it and servicing member requests as best they can.

JG,my post was not a criticism of you, or of others who provide information.

 

It was just a personal and bitter observation of how RA-Aus members can stay informed.

 

thanks for the information,

 

dodo

 

EDIT - PS I assume you meant corroborated, rather than collaborated. I enjoyed the difference.

"collaborate" to work with another person or group in order to achieve something

"corroborate" to give or represent evidence of the truth of something

Hopefully you will find some grounds of forgiveness given that I have had a glass of wine and rr's start to look like ll's after the second glass.

JG

JG,my post was not a criticism of you, or of others who provide information.

 

It was just a personal and bitter observation of how RA-Aus members can stay informed.

 

thanks for the information,

 

dodo

And, as usual, we rely on rumour.Maybe the letter has not been published due to concerns of libel. Or whatever.

 

But members of RA-Aus get to speculate based on n-th hand information.

 

dodo

I don't believe in this case that as you contend "RA-Aus get to speculate based on n-th hand information" is correct as the information has been collaborated from a number of sources. So all we have to do now is wait for confirmation or down right denial by the principle players. If Sportbet were offering odds on our info being correct, I'd be willing to bet the farm even though it would result in divorce if I was wrong.

What are you willing to put up?

JG