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Landing at RPT airport with only an AVID?

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Airmaster

Hi,

 

I will be flying out of an airport where I'll only need an AVID. However, I've noticed that there are several airports within an hour's flight that have RPT (Regular Passenger Transport).

 

Do I need an ASIC to land at those airports? What if it's an emergency?

 

 

CASA says (typo is theirs, not mine):

 

"If you plan to frquently fly into a security controlled airport that has RPT services you need to have an ASIC."

 

From: ASICs and AVIDs | Civil Aviation Safety Authority

 

How do they determine "frequently"? Will I get fined if I don't have an ASIC?

 

Thanks!

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kgwilson

I think the answer is in their statement. Once or twice could never be interpreted as "frequently" (frquently). Also the part "If you plan". An emergency situation is not part of your original flight plan other than identifying possible places to land if a diversion is required. The whole ASIC thing is a Rort, originally a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 & the only one in the world to affect recreational pilots.

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Nobody

If you don't have an ASIC and want to go to a security controlled airport you need an escort from someone with an ASIC. In theory the airport can provide this but if it is more than a one off (and even then) they might tell you to pi$$ off.

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kaz3g

The problem you have is that you land and taxi to the apron but can't get out. Then how do you contact a person with an ASIC to escort you?

 

Some security airports are easy to exit and access without anyone checking, but others are very strict (Alice and The Rock come to mind).

 

Yes, it's a crock but be careful the contents aren't tipped over you.

 

Kaz

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Bill
The problem you have is that you land and taxi to the apron but can't get out. Then how do you contact a person with an ASIC to escort you?

 

Some security airports are easy to exit and access without anyone checking, but others are very strict (Alice and The Rock come to mind).

 

Yes, it's a crock but be careful the contents aren't tipped over you.

 

Kaz

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Bill

The CASA doc also says "... who require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled. ... etc". So does this mean that if I land to for fuel at a Bowser located +200M from the terminal building, I don't need an ASIC?

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seb7701

I held off for as long as I could given another avenue I had to avoid the ASIC, but caved in yesterday as, frankly, it's just easier to get a display the bloody thing, stupid or not...

As such, probably easier to get one and you'll be fine no matter WHAT airport you wish to visit.

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Jerry_Atrick

A mate of mine who got his PPL and Aus is heading with the family to Aus in 2018... Instead of renting a plane and taking them places, he is going to take an hour bimble with an instructor and hire a car to do his travelling because of the ASIC/AVID requirement.

 

I met with my examiner to sign off some docs so I could convert from JAA to EASA. He was in Aus a few months ago and in the end gave up on the bureaucracy (and that is coming from the UK and EASA land) and did an hours bimble rather than scenic flying.

 

If these are the terrorists they want to deny access to GA in Aus, then they are doing a sterling job.

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KRviator

One thing to be wary of, if you get the Council ARO out to 'escort' you out of the sterile area...Oftentimes the bastards they work for charge like a wounded bull. Port Macquarie, for example, is $61.00, per hour or part thereof. Coffs Harbour seems more reasonable $12.50 if an ARO is on duty, but $231 if they are called out! Your best bet would be to Google the respective airport's 'fees and charges' website to see if you're likely to be stung.

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Jaba-who
The CASA doc also says "... who require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled. ... etc". So does this mean that if I land to for fuel at a Bowser located +200M from the terminal building, I don't need an ASIC?

The problem is that almost every airport interprets the rules differently and applies them according to their own interpretation.

Each one makes their own decisions about how they enforce the ASICs but there's not often any debate about what is the secure area. But I have to say I have never been to any where any place airside was not considered to be the secure area. Once you passed through the gate/fence that separated the public from the planes you were in the secure area. The fuel bowsers etc were all part of the secure area.

 

But most airports only get any hint of security consciousness when pilots want to go through the gates ( usually in but paradoxically sometimes out as well). If you are a pilot with a plane and you land, taxi to the bowser refuel and fly away most places seem to not care less. But occasionally you get a little el supremo who wants to show off his power.

 

 

But how strictly or sensibly they enforce the ASIC and security are all over the shop.

I've been to airports where they would not even let you in the GA apron of airport even when we had ASICs. They came and escorted us from a side gate to our aircraft. . ( At Ayers Rock/Uluru) what was even more annoying was we were held up for over a half hour waiting for them and our daylight needed for our next destination was going. And to rub salt into the wound - we all had red ASICs ( higher security clearance and cleared for ALL airports in Oz and the ground lackey who came to escort us had a grey card - local airport only low level security.

At Leonora they wouldn't even let my mates OUT of the airport without a security guard coming and opening the gate. Wouldn't give them the code over the phone even though he said he had a card and could give them the card number over the phone. Until the idiot didn't turn up and they called him again and he realised that he was at Kalgoorlie airport and they were at Leonora ( covered by the same council. ) He reluctantly gave them the codes over the phone.

At Darwin we had to line up ( 16 of us) and hold up our cards one at a time to the camera and have them photographed and the gates opened singly for each of us. Took about an hour to get through the gate.

Lots of places where the code is scratched on the nearest post to the gate, where they couldn't care less whether you actually had an ASIC etc. but plenty where you can phone someone and they'll give you the code. They may or may not ask if you have an ASIC.

I've never had or heard of an escort require payment.

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waraton

Time to renew the ASIC...jeee wizzz! I know this topic is done to death but for a recreational pilot who uses rpt strips from time to time for parking and fuel it is clear as mud. Not only is the application process ridiculous and unclear (the on-line application is easy until you try to figure who and where the photos and id validations have to go) it is paid for in full weeks prior to the process getting under way and possibly months before the application/renewal is completed and the card arrives which is back dated to the payment date which means you will never get the full time frame for your card. I don't think I need an ASIC but then again do I? As for the AVID, this seems to be a must have item for all pilots who fly anything anywhere, Gyros, PPG, Trikes etc or have I read that incorrectly? If it does apply across the board why is it not referenced in the explanation with GA and RAA pilots being identified specifically? As is the case with other examples on the forum I have never been asked for my ASIC card. Dear Dorothy...should I even bother !

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