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Just buy a SkyEcho see and be seen.

I would love a FAR part 103 lets go old school. Duck (auto-corrected word) CASA they don't care about Rec aviation or my safety, they care about continuing to strengthen their bureaucracy. The further they are from my plane the safer I would be.

5 hours ago, F10 said:

Golly gee whizz....but it irritates me to tears, how CASA immediately copy cats everything the FAA does.......we are a different country and situation....seems they are incapable of independent thought. Amazing.

They pick and choose which is worse. I would like us to just adopt the FAA reg's. Australia has a basket case of bad reg's would be much easier to just shift to FAA regs. They have problems to but way less than us.

They did far worse to Jabiru with zero consequences to the bureaucracy. 

"Ethics and CASA" is like "military intelligence"

I don't get who would want to be flying IFR at 5500 feet. There is no reason to change the existing 8500 unless it is to increase it to 10,000 east coast class G.

Would be interesting to see how many IFR aircraft actually use the 8500 to 10,000 foot band. I am betting almost no one.

I have an Xcom, No complaints works as advertised.

Did not even know Garmin was doing an app looks good. The integration with the rest of your systems is a plus but does not look like it talks the SkyEcho which is a minus, it also look like it is limited in Australia compared to USA and Europe.

You can try it for 30 days for fee and let us know what you think.

15 hours ago, Yenn said:

Most may be happy but some would not. Why is there any need for change?

Don't forget it is only a couple of years or so since CASA brought in the big change of ADSB for all IFR. If change was so necessary it should have been done then.

They have only just allowed us to use low cost ADSB transmitters (SkyEcho2) instead of being 10k it is a 1k expense. I think the regional airlines are pushing to be able to see Rec aviation in higher density traffic area's the SkyEcho fits this need without costing to much.

I to am on the fence about a need for change on one hand there does not seem to be a problem. On the other it is a small impost for a fairly large improvement in see and avoid.

What ever they decide someone won't be happy I think the best out come for recreational aviation is allowing the cheap ADSB's to be used in class D and E as the only "transponders". Then they can do what they like regarding the East Coast airspace without impacting on us to much.

They don't need to subsidize transponders just allow the Skyecho2 to be used as a minimum in class E and D. Most of us would be happy with this and except class E along the East Coast.  It would be a big step up in safety for very little cost. 

Looks like they had a rethink will be interesting to see whether they give us a better proposal. Not holding my breath but at least they responded.

From Air Service's.

"

Good afternoon

Airservices thanks all aviation industry stakeholders for their continued interest in the initial proposal to lower the base of Class E airspace.

We are continuing to work on how best to revise our proposal,  taking into consideration all of the industry feedback we received. We plan to provide the details of the revised proposal to industry shortly. This information package will include detailed airspace design for the revised proposal, surveillance and communication coverage charts, and we will seek further industry feedback on the revised proposal.

Regards
Scott

SCOTT MITCHELL 
A/CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT SENIOR ADVISOR"

1 hour ago, Roscoe said:

Well i dropped in to the viewing this arvo and was told all paperwork was available for perusal.

Anything you buy would be a down grade from your J170.

Pickles is just trying to get the very best price for their clients which is not the buyer. If you had loaned Soar Aviation money you would be pushing to use the most aggressive auction house to sell the assets. Pickles is open about how they are going to run the sale if you don't want to play the game don't.

The amount of sooking because people cannot buy a cheap aircraft for cents on the dollar is a sign the receivers are doing their job.

Looks like they received a lot of negative feedback.

Just got this email from airservice's  I assume everyone who submitted feed back on their proposal got the same.

"

Good Morning

Airservices would like to thank all airspace users and aviation industry stakeholders that provided feedback on our initial proposal to lower the base of Class E airspace along the East Coast.

For the initial consultation period from 20 January to 15 February 2021, we received over 1,000 responses from all aspects of industry, including airlines, industry associations such as Recreational Aviation Australia (RAAus), Gliding Federation, Australian Airline Pilots’ Association (AusALPA), Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA), Civil Air and various general aviation (GA) operators.

Your feedback is absolutely critical in deeply understanding the potential impacts on our industry. As previously communicated, we are assessing all feedback received to input into our detailed design process. In particular, the industry has highlighted the following key issues and we are revising our proposal to address the feedback:  

•        facilitate continued access to Class G airspace by VFR aircraft that do not meet the current transponder and radio communications fitment requirements in Class E airspace

•        cater for the operational context and desired safety outcomes in Class G and Class E airspace, considering factors such as traffic mix, operational needs and characteristics of different types of airspace users and controls against threats such as terrain, engine failure or inclement weather

•        avoid potential for confusion in relation to the airspace boundary reference to above-ground-level (AGL) versus above-mean-sea-level (AMSL)

•        effectively manage the human factors aspect of the change, including operational complexity, workload, communication/coordination, training and education implications from both air traffic controllers and pilots’ perspectives

•        reduce surveillance and communications coverage gaps within controlled airspace

•        reduce the likelihood of delays on departures and arrivals  

•        clarify the safety case for change, with consideration to cost/benefit implications to stakeholders impacted by the proposal

•        allow industry sufficient opportunity to consider and provide feedback on the details of the proposal.

We will provide an update to industry in the week starting 22 February 2021 with supporting information via our Engage platform, email communications and additional industry meetings. We will continue to consult with industry and take on board any further industry feedback on the revised proposal before proceeding with the formal Airspace Change Proposal (ACP) to be assessed by our regulator and airspace administrator, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).  

We are committed to listening to the needs of all airspace users and working with industry to develop an optimal solution to modernise our airspace architecture. We are acutely conscious of the need to minimise adverse impacts on airspace safety, access, efficiency and environmental outcomes, while being able to deliver service enhancements to operators that can already benefit from today’s modern surveillance capabilities.

Regards

SCOTT MITCHELL 
A/CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT SENIOR ADVISOR "

Just buy a transponder is a B.S response.

The radar coverage along the coast would be about 30% at on below 5000' on a good day.

So we force everyone to carry an expensive paper weight for most of the flight when they could have 100% coverage for other aircraft if they where ADSB equipped. 

It's not just the cost of the transponder it's the ongoing certification.

Transponders require an ATC operator to see you and vector IFR aircraft around you they have demonstrated recently that this is a failure point.

ADSB is the future they should just embrace it now the Skyecho's in class E airspace would be a good start.

This proposal is so stupid the bureaucrat who proposed it should be fired. Won't happen they will probably get promoted.

Transponders are  old tech and are being replaced with ADSB, This is the FAA's long term plan.

"Certified" avionics have the same components the same board manufacture as non certified there is no reason they are any more reliable.  In fact because the manufacture has to spend so much on the certification they do not get updated, the design gets locked in even is it could be improved it won't be due to having to re-certify.  What certified means is old out of date tech that is nowhere near as good as the new stuff or is some cases as reliable. Note vac pump failures vs solid state giros for instruments.

We are discussing class E airspace not class A,B or C. Skyecho would be a huge improvement in safety for very little cost if you coupled it with broad casting your position over the mobile phone network like Oz runways do (I know it's not 100% coverage) you would end up with a lot of redundancy way more than you get with a single 40 year old transponder and the odd inept ATC controller watching the screen.

ADSB broadcasts about every half a second this is faster and more accurate than Transponders "C"

Why is the FAA transitioning away from radar and towards ADS-B technology?

https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/programs/adsb/faq/#g1

Transponders are going to be phased out it makes no sense to lower class G airspace until they sort this out in OZ.

You own the airspace to 500' agl over your own land. If you remain under that and remain over your own property you can do what every you want. However if you crash insurance may not pay out.

45 minutes ago, Garfly said:

 

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How good is that. If we all carried skyecho's this is what we could have for collision avoidance. I think almost everyone would be happy to make the coastal class G into to E if this was the future. Just allow us to fly class E with Skyecho2 or equivalent. ATC have proved having crashed 3 aircraft recently that they don't care about our safety. Foreflights example has me excited for what can be done if we all carry (cheap) ADSB transmitters.

51 minutes ago, Blueadventures said:

I’ll need to fly with a co-pilot so they can watch the screen info and PIC can fly and maintain effective lookout scan.  I can see people spending enormous time looking at the screen to interpret the targets, will be very distracting and may contribute to midair’s etc. 

It's not that bad. If you are using it for navigating you will be glancing at the screen anyway. It just gives you idea whats around. Even if you have 2 aircraft each traveling towards each other at 200kts each you only have to look at the screen every 3 minutes to notice if you are on a collision course. I would be very surprised if the software developers are not working on an automated collision warning system as part of the electronic flight bag.

2 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

In some places 1500AGL will be 6500AMSL but then this is the entire area not areas of medium and high density traffic which have yet to be defined. 6500 over the Gibraltar range on the way to Armidale from South Grafton is insane unless it is a clear calm day. At 6500 with a good South Westerly the down draft on the lee side will better than many aircraft can outclimb.

But you will be so much safer smashing into a hill while watching ATC crash IFR aircraft into each other and denying clearance's to VFR GA forcing them to crash next you.  Happy days /s

Feed back to CASA here. https://www.avsef.gov.au/national-proposal-lower-base-class-e-between-cairns-and-melbourne?utm_source=Swift Digital&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=AvSafety Seminars