kaz3g

They are nice in real life too Andrew.......David

I did a few hours in an M5 235 back in the mid-80's and it was a lovely aeroplane. It accelerated very briskly indeed, leapt off the deck, went up at a heck of a climb angle and landed short.

The only downside, I thought, was the use of the wheeled control column instead of a stick.

kaz

..the pilot would reckon he scored a hole in one!! ....and won the raffle!

kaz

I dont want to rain on your parade , but it is great flying weather here in MelbournePS hope you get flying soon

Cheers

 

Bryon

kaz

Are there only 2 Spitfires flying in Aus?

I don't know what happened to Col Pay's Spitfire but I don't think it is around any more.

We had a bunch of them at the end of WWII and a bunch of Mustangs as well but the Government and Military didn't think it safe to let mere civilians buy them so they trashed them instead.

kaz

Thanks prwood, Barwon Heads is a little closer to Leopold where my family is so is a much better option. Any ideas on any prevailing weathers etc. apart from parachute ops?

I am booked in for an AFR on Saturday out of Shepparton. My aircraft has been at Penfield for months undergoing maintenance and I rather desperately need some time in it before doing the test in which I'll be entering and departing Essendon.

kaz

Just out of curiosity, since I have no experience with this, if you fly out of an airport with landing fees (say, Moorabbin, as an example) and you're doing circuits, do you have to pay the fee for every T&G or just the final full stop?

You pay two fees at a controlled airport - Airservices and Aerodrome.

Ring the Operator 03 8587 8000 or your flying school and ask them. Flying Schools using MBN usually have discounted rates.

kaz

cficare, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there was an instance where a CASA official did land somewhere gear-up ??...................................................Maj

When I was a squatter in the north-west of WA many years ago, there was a story doing the rounds about the "Phantom".

The Phantom was alleged to be a local station pilot who had lost his licence for some misdemeanour and was very unhappy with DCA as a consequence.

He had an aeroplane without markings and regularly flew all over the north-west. Obviously, DCA heard about this and made a number of unsuccessful attempts to apprehend him.

One day, he landed in Karratha and went into town to get some supplies. Someone phoned DCA in Perth and a bunch of inspectors set off in a Baron with all haste.

Arriving overhead Karratha, they saw his aircraft still on the ground with him loading his purchases on board. The Baron was immediately swung onto final for a quick landing which was intended to block the miscreant's departure.

Unfortunately, in their excitement, they forgot to lower the gear and, ignoring the hooter, continued to a landing on the centreline. Whoops!!!

The Phantom watched them spilling out onto the runway and distancing themselves from the aircraft before throwing a last case of Emu (no doubt cold) on the front pax seat of his aircraft and executing a very neat shortfield departure from the remaining length of bitumen.

They never did get him :clap2:

kaz

PS I have to admit I heard a lot of storys that were going around against authority figures in those days... a very independent lot the nor'-westers!

You are exempt if in the process of landing or taking off. This applies today at some ALAs where you fly over houses at less than 500' AGL on base and final.

Yes, perfectly true, but you aren't landing at a controlled airport until you receive a clearance to land (class C) or join the circuit (classD).

I just took a quick look at the Melbourne VTC and found that Doncaster Shopping Town (DSN) is 11NM from Essendon while Kalkallo (KAO) is 12NM. These are the two most commonly used VFR entry points for traffic arriving into Essendon from east and north respectively. DSN is well inside of the built-up area and KAO is rapidly becoming likewise.

I know many of you do not currently fly into controlled airports but many have also made it clear they would like to be able to. But even if you are not looking to enter controlled airspace and simply want to use your permit to fly your RA aircraft over a built-up area (I think I'm correct that you can do that with a certified engine?), have a think about how you might have to detour to comply with MSH if you want to head from say the Yarra Valley (YCEM or YLIL) to join the VFR coastal route west and head to say, Lethbridge. At the moment, you could track direct to Brighton below 2500. This would have you at the right level for the track and just below the CTA step, but there are no outlanding opportunities once you get past around ATV10 so you aren't at the MSH or higher.

The number of controlled airports is also going to grow very significantly from what I have read recently. AOPA reports that ASA is proposing to implement radar-based approach control services at Hobart, Launceston, Albury, Tamworth, Coffs Harbour, Alice Springs, Rockhampton, Mackay, Hamilton Island, Sunshine Coast, Broome and Karratha. And no doubt there will be more because they are now getting ADSB equipment which is far cheaper - for them - than the old ground-based system. No more whizzing into Albury or Alice, for example, when the towers are closed and class D becomes a CTAF, because they will now become class C H24.

kaz

My head hurts. I think i need a Bex and a good lie down.

And Crezzi has it right with cruising levels below 5000' ... No more maybe. It's another almost strict liability offence.

Note that MSH has no such defence of not being able to comply so it still begs the question "how do you do a VFR rules approach to MBN or MEN using one of the reporting points at 1500 and still fly at a height from which an emergency landing due to a failed engine could be conducted without endangering persons or property on the ground or water (arrgghhh --- swimmers below!).

kaz

Thanx for the replies so far.........NWpilot im currently living in Melbourne but im open to any reccommendations you have. I just recently took a trip down to Hobart to have a look at Tasair.Cheers

kaz

Hey Kaz, are you base up at coldstream? I'm hoping to drop up tommorrow arvo to check out the aero club up there , do you get along on fridays?cheers Mat

Yes... I'm one of the Coldstream Flyers (CFS). I'm on holidays at present but I spent today doing jobs around home. Back at work next week, dammit.

The flying school is currently run by RVAC and teaches both GA (Warriors) and RA (Tecnam). Dick Gower is CFI and he has a wealth of knowledge and experience. Bob Boyd is his main off-sider and he also teaches both streams.

It's a friendly place and I know you will be welcome there.

Catch you next time?

kaz

Yeah - I would gladly have most !! Were you there in an Auster - which one ?

The Auster has been in the black hole they call aircraft maintenance for some months but I have been assured it will be ready to collect from Penfield tomorrow (Saturday).

It's been that long I'm worried I have forgotten how to fly it. I did an hour of circuits in a C172 on the way home but it isn't as demanding as the AUS5 especially in a x-wind. At least I know where all the guages are without hunting for them... the Cessna panel was huge compared to mine!

kaz

jake....i reckon if you were in a RAA registered a/c...outside controlled airspace...below 5000'...with an engine failore...u ain;t gonna land at YSSY!!!

Just make sure you don't hit anyone or anything if you land short of the runway!

kaz

A few more alarming regulatory changes that caught my eye were;Violating controlled airspace is now an offence of strict liability so getting lost or disorientated is not a defence......

91.295 Minimum operating heights all flights

(1) In this regulation:

minimum safe height, for a flight of an aircraft, means the height from which an emergency landing due to a failed engine could be conducted without endangering persons or property on the ground or water.

(2) The pilot in command of an aircraft commits an offence if:

(a) the aircraft is on a flight over an area mentioned in column 2 of an item in Table 91.295; and

(b) the aircraft is of a type mentioned in column 3 of the item; and

© the circumstances (if any) mentioned in column 4 of the item apply to the aircraft; and

(d) the pilot flies the aircraft below the higher of:

(i) the minimum safe height for the flight; and

(ii) the height mentioned in column 5 of the item; and

(e) the flight is not permitted by subregulation (3).

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(3) The flight is permitted if:

(a) the aircraft is taking off or landing; or

(b) the aircraft is engaged in a missed approach; or

© the aircraft:

(i) is not carrying passengers; and

(ii) is engaged in a practice emergency procedure at an aerodrome; or

(d) the aircraft:

(i) is not carrying passengers; and

(ii) is engaged in a practice forced landing procedure with the consent of the person or authority having control over the land on which the procedure is carried out; or

(e) the aircraft:

(i) is not carrying passengers; and

(ii) is being flown over an area:

(A) that is authorised for low flying under [Part 141]; and

(B) with the consent of the person or authority having control over the land above which low flying is being carried out; and

© that has been surveyed by the pilot in command for obstacles before beginning the flight; or

(f) the aircraft is a helicopter to which subregulation (4) or (5) applies..

You need to look at the Table accompanying the reg at

http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/parts/091/download/casr91_consultdraft.pdf

to get the full gist of it, but the important thing seems to be that an offence is committed if the pilot flies the aircraft below the higher of:

(i) the minimum safe height for the flight; and

(ii) the height mentioned in column 5 of the table

And if you have an engine failure and bust something or someone on the ground, you have also committed an offence because you could not have been at the "minimum safe height".

The "risk" briefing requires you to spell out the terms of your insurance policies and to advise pax that they aren't travelling as safely as they do when using RPT. Since when was insurance an aviation safety issue?

kaz

The 195s are beautiful aircraft - there were 6 there of the 7 in Australia !! The other one is awaiting an engine replacement.The highlight of the airshow for me was the Southern Knights - a Harvard formation display team. For private pilots they are awesome

There were more Tigers than Austers, an almost unheard of situation. The sight and sounds of the Spitfire, Mustang and P40 formatting together were awesome. The Harvards display was superb as was the finale by the Roulettes. And that little J2 Cub must have knocked up enough hours to need an oil change before going home.

It was a fantastic weekend and it was great to see a council (Moira) actively supporting aviation in its area rather than covetting the land for residential development.!!!

kaz

CASA has released a draft of its proposed CASR 91 and there are a few things which will undoubtedly cause concern to those of us who fly for pleasure rather than reward.

The Covering Note for the Consultation Draft can be found here

Note particularly the comments about:

1. Making the minimum height rule (see 91.295) similar to FAR 91.119 by including a

provision requiring (except during take-off and landing and in other specified

circumstances) aircraft to be flown at such a height that would enable a forced landing

without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface if a power unit failed at any

time... and

2. Incorporating a new requirement for a ‘risk’ briefing of passengers before boarding a nonair

transport flight (see 91.567); this new requirement is being proposed on the basis that

passengers on non-air transport flights should understand that the aircraft may be operated

to standards that are lower than those for air transport flights and that the pilot/operator

may not have liability insurance that extends to death, injury or damages to them and their

property.

Pilots have until 31 May to comment and perhaps those comments should include concerns that matters of insurance are not a "safety" issue and are therefore outside of the legislated powers given to CASA by the CAA.

kaz

You can read it here... http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/1991-46/default.asp

kaz

Would the fact that it's apparently a 280 metre airstrip with a downhill slope on approach have any bearing on it?

There must be better ways :boat:

kaz

Thanks for the morale boost, Rocket.

It's great when people bring their expertise from the flying professions into discussions while remembering both the challenges they faced along the way and their pride of achievement as they built their personal store of skills.

Interesting you mention Col Pay. A comment elsewhere in this thread had me thinking of Judy and her various warbirds and that, in turn, reminded me of another female warbird owner, Carolyn Grace

Cheers

kaz

kaz

I got a TW endorsement in 1979 and have been flying them for a living ever since.

I didn't get mine until 1984 but I did have 15 years of gliding including powered gliders beforehand. I'm just a humble recreational flyer so my hours have been seriously limited by the expense. I acknowledge your claims to considerably greater experience and withdraw my now apparently gratuitous invitation.

What do you do for a living?

I'll disagree with your first statement, I would have no hesitation in taking a 182 into the same strips I would take a 180, the same with a Tripacer/Pacer. If you look at the stall speeds quoted by the factory the 182 has a slower stall speed than the same year model 180. With a Pacer or Pacer conversions the specs are the same as the Tri.

I wasn't thinking about stall speeds per se. I was thinking about the strain on the nose gear - the load on the nose gear in soft/rough ground exacerbated by cog and load transfer under braking and the length of ground roll.

Which year/models C180 and C182 were you referring to?

As to your last statement if you have a look at the Pacer in the picture (Mine) you will see it is a converted Tripacer. If I had my time again I don't know if I would convert it to tailwheel, it's just the poor old Tripacer was soooooooooo ugly.

Yes, it shared that aesthetic problem with the Beagle.

kaz

...it's the first time I've ever been published... In anything! Just needed to share!

I'm glad you shared. Congratulations on your first solo as a writer.

We need more people willing to contribute to our mags and newsletters because such messages of enthusiasm and excitement encourage others to join us and become part of this very special recreational pastime.

kaz

Hi Tomo

Love the photos and love Tassie as a place to visit in summer.

My next trip will probably be mid-year to NW WA to see my old station before I croak but I also hope to do the island hop to the south next time the weather settles down again.

kaz

I should also point out you can do this in a nosewheel as well.

There is a nice PA22/20 at my home field and I'm sure a pilot of your talents could have a lot of fun if you upgraded your's to TW configuration

kaz

<snip> ..... The Tiger didn't have any brakes and the Auster almost didn't.. Nev

kaz

Tailwheel is just different, it used to be called "Conventional". Any aircraft can bite if not handled correctly. The rubbish carried on by some about how you have to be a Special" pilot is just that, rubbish. It's just another thing to learn in a constant non stop learning curve. I mean how hard can it be, they let girls do it?

Yes TW is different. Yes, it still gets called "conventional" and No, you don't have to be a "special" pilot to fly one.

And, it is about learning... training and practice. The need to keep current is somewhat greater than your usual tricycles which gained popularity in the 50's and 60's for the very reason that they are more stable and forgiving of bad practices.

But that's about all we agree on.

My licence lets me fly one and I've got that licence because I passed the test and keep on passing it every two years. "They" had nothing to do with it.

Let me know when you have the endorsement and a couple of hundred hours or more and I'll think about welcoming you to the club

Kaz (smiling too)

kaz