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What's the purpose of the low level waste storage?

It would not be related to nuclear power, maybe they are talking medical waste products?

Do you have a link?

No such thing as a act of God.

Just bullshit to take payments and never payout.

On 07/12/2023 at 9:03 AM, kgwilson said:

Once the writing is on the wall companies often take ever more desperate measures to keep afloat and sometimes these measure come back to bite them. For example getting parts laser cut was a very bad decision but I presume because it was fast and relatively cheap they did it but suffered the consequences.

Your right KG, no responsible kit maker would ever use such laser cut parts, it is a absolute no no for safety and quality. I have previously noted exactly why. It is absolute worst practice.

As soon as such a decision was made they loaded the gun and pointed it at customers. It should be turned back on the owners, then they can pull the trigger.

I am sorry, but too me that's unforgivable.

It's like a miniature Boeing, once great now a laughing stock for those that know. 

I don't want to see them fail but I doubt they will ever be the same.

Talk about a sweetheart interview.

Makes it all sound rosey and as if the kits will proceed at a little extra cost.

I expect kit owners are going to get bugger all back in the dollar if they want a refund.

I expect staff will have a very shitty Christmas, as will customers.

5000 plus creditors, I do not see a happy ending.

Bar screwing everyone bar it's biggest suppliers and a complete phoneix operation, it's a one legged duck full of buckshot.

Those two small Cessna's look like they had a wild party, got on the sauce and drugs and woke up bruised and in a compromising position.

How else do aircraft breed? 

8 hours ago, RFguy said:

I have already made my conclusion. And it is harsh !

 

Pilot became unconscious. Passengers were not sufficiently briefed on activating the CAPS system (shutdown engine, activate CAPS).

Should have been with so many souls on board.

It is a terrible ending to a what should have been survivable situation.

Pilot only accumulated 800 hours in 38 years which for me is a question mark.

For whatever reason he failed to provide duty of care to that family through his own errors.

 

Given they were young children, it's a bit much to expect them to save the day.

If a pilot can't control it or loses consciousness and spins the chance are very low.

But you are correct, in that a design that needs a chute to recover is a death sentence unless the chute is pulled. That still assumes a spinning iced aircraft will recover and float gently down.

A chute should be to save you after structural failure or engine loss. Not because it is unrecoverable from a spin.

I personally do not like the SR22 but your life your choice.

Given the destruction, I doubt we will ever know the actual truth.

Trust is everything in this game.

Can I trust the kit is complete?

Can I trust the parts are to specifications?

Can I trust the parts are protected from corrode and crack formation?

Can I trust the employees are motivated for quality and paid appropriately?

Can I trust the price?

Can I trust replacement parts to cover the dodgy ones, esp. given they consider non structural parts, which by admission are below par and will not be replaced unless at customer expense?

If I was a current customer, I would be angry as hell.

As a new customer, I would not trust a thing they say, would be very worried about quality, and even doubt I would get a complete kit, at expected quality.

Price wise I would see it like gambling on a limp horse.

They may be a great company historically, but that is only previously.

They screwed their original suppliers, staff and customers.

Nothing they are currently doing provides any great confidence bar much larger prices and a lesson in how not to manage a aircraft company.

I accept many will forgive but I am very wary.

I like the Vans aircraft but would not trust the company,

maybe in five years when products are prooved again.

Business was wants it to happen, so that's a worry.

Qantas would replace everyone if it could, even at greater expense. They have proven ideology beats economic sense.

Fortunately the humans like a human to die with them.

I think Nev is making it plain, there ain't no God.

If their was, a benevolent caring one would be female.

I agree the real cost is the cost.

The problem is they allowed a situation where everyone from workers, legacy suppliers and customers pay the cost.

The employees didn't get the luxury of chapter 11.

Jobs, loyalty and quality parts became the casualty. 

For management to fork out, is the least they should do.

Lucky indeed, more a feather than real punishment.

He has lost flight priveledges for life- not long enough, he can still be on aircraft.

Purposely crashing a aircraft with fuel onboard in a fire banned national park ( visitors were banned at the time during fire season ) is not a harmless stunt.

The guys who fight fire there are "fire jumpers" and risk their life everytime.

If his agenda was political rather then YouTube fame, he would be a terrorist.

That does not include destroying the evidence and lying to the FAA. 

10 years seems fair with parole, subject to assessment his ego no longer presents a clear and present danger to the public. A no public media ban for life.

 6 months is just free bed and board, he will make a motza talking about it and doing stupid shit. America, where you do criminal shit and can become rich and celebrated.

Infamy lasts forever and is always currency, fame can be fleeting. 

Onetrack,

Yes, it is yet to go to court but on the evidence reported and the ATSB report, the charges already laid and court reporting, I feel warranted in my opinion.

No statement I have made is untrue, given publicly available admissible evidence, all of which will be used in court for criminal and civil matters.

I am happy to defend my statements and opinions, even in court.

The David Beck case  success has little relevance bar some precedence. This is a unique case. The involvement of the employers actions are fundamental. Its a mutch bigger can of worms.

I think this should really get moved to Social Australia site for more in depth discussions.

My last post is far from Kansas Toto, or Jabiru.

27 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

i said that in another post. they want everything solar and wind here but are quite happy to sell our coal and gas overseas . all that does is push the emissions somewhere else. they haven't gone away . 

I agree totally.

And we subsidise non tax paying foreign companies to take our natural resources and not pay for them or repair the damage.

We are the biggest and one of cheapest gas exporters In the world. We also pay the highest prices in the world for our own gas. Why? John Howard thought it a good idea to make it that way and it's kept snowballing.

The $12.5 billion in subsidy for fossil fuels this year alone could make fundamental change.

That's $12,500 for each of a 1 million homes to be solar powered and connected to home/ community batteries with argumentation of electric car batteries as storage for those that have them. 

10 years of such a program would fundamentally change, not only our energy system but be a step change in economic growth that reduces national energy costs and imports of energy with insecure pricing.  

That would create great fundamental sustainable wealth for our economy. And would not cost a cent to the budget. Just no free ride on excise anymore.

What can a family do if they have almost zero home or car energy bills? Start by doing homes where the poor and renters are to reduce housing costs, it is a social benefit as well. We have government giving bill relief into the pocket of big energy, instead,  invest that as well into social power.

A simple change of priorities and world view and the world can change.

Power to the people, owned by the people.

If given the choice who would vote for continued fossil fuel subsidies and ever bigger bills  or everyone gets free solar and battery power with tiny bills over a decade?

A political no brainer, a win for the country, the people and the environment.

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

My grandfather worked in a mine at Newcastle that went out under the sea and died fairly young of silicosis. He died when I was about 4 about 18 Months before the Japan war ended. Nev

And we still allow it to happen. Profit Trump's health and society in a rigged card game.

12 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

it was spoken about quite a bit a while back but seems to have gone quiet.

the proponents said if we sell uranium to other countries then we should be morally responsible to take the waste back and store it. and because we have such a large stable and sparsely populated continent we are in a better position than most countries to build a secure storage facility. i remember years ago there was suggestion of turning one of the old underground mines at coolgardie into storage. i don't know what the going rate for storage but you would think it would be pretty good.

If the world agreed to send the waste,  and pay for its storage forever, that's the essential problem economic wise. Assuming we could it safely, which human nature, greed  and a 22,000 plus half life is problematic.

We would also have to get it here and ships are nasty terror targets.

But my reason to ask is about the moral responsibility.

If we should take responsibility for a poisonous product we sell, then, are we not on the hook for been a massive polluter for the exported coal and gas? If I sell a known poisonous drug offshore , am I still a drug dealer?

Sadly,  I think the nuclear fuel we sell is a lessor sin on the global scale. 

40 minutes away is the largest coal loading port in the world from me.

For a smart country, we spend a lot of effort to did holes and put our heads in them.

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

Really?

In that case you didn't read enough to find out the real issue was the ability of Black Coal to ramp up to suit demand.

 

As can battery storage including pumped hydro, which can produce surge but also long term power. Both on demand rather than burning fuel even when not needed.

It's inherently inefficient to burn fuel in a coal power plant whilst solar is plentiful during the day and thus very cheap. Storage is quamtams more efficient and economical when all costs are born.

Just now, BrendAn said:

i just watched a video from canberra. mobil,qantas, shell , santos, agl and sintel have all made billions in record profits and not one has paid a cent in tax on those profits.

this country is stuffed.

Exactly.

It's called "State Capture" where government is so influenced by private power they control the agenda and what laws or taxes they accept.

Or the " economic Mafia" that's a lovely economy or policy you have, pity if something happened to it".

The very same mob that peddles disinformation to stop the public changing it.

50 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

i agree that will work for domestic use but my initial ravings about nuclear was to supply industry with enough power which solar and wind will not do .  the vic gov is pushing for wind and solar yet they have installed a heap of diesel gensets at the old hazlewood site and in government buildings in melbourne.

Brendan ,

I was intrigued by your earlier comment on nuclear waste and our moral responsibility to take it back and store it. 

Can you extrapolate your reasoning and how,  it should work? Could it be a big earner?

Diesel generators and gas turbine versions are a symptom of a sick system.

Huge imported expense, to be rarely run just in case or used where infrastructure is poor, in which case the fuel is extremely expensive. Such poor economics, it's exempt from taxes as a direct government sudsidy.

All imported expenses and subsidised by us.

Government will spend $50 billion in subsidies to  the fossil fuel industry  and mining industry over the next 4 years including fuel excise rebates.  An ongoing expense that only benefits very few. None is an investment in productively for the nation,  nor to provide energy independence, or reduce energy imports. In fact, the policy ensures the foreign wealth transfers and sovereign risk increases with every year. Imported fossil fuels can only get more expensive as will locally produced ones.

Almost no entity in most of the fossil fuel chain pays any tax on the subsidised diesel fuelled activity.  farmers  are another  debate but inherently subsidised.

Government must always pick winning ideas for economic assistance with a view to productivity, taxation, development, communal  wealth and health.

Our current policy is like burning money over Phar Laps corpse and expecting to win the Melbourne cup.

Yes, the generators are a short term insurance due to the grid reliability from the old brown coal stations.

Industrial power use is huge but generally during day light ours, as is most retail and office work. Big industrial users which consume large chunks of a states power like alloy smelters are already investing in renewable power in a effort to be carbon neutral in the short to medium term.

Big industrial users know it's cheaper and more reliable to partially decouple from the grid with green energy. They invest for profit, that's where the money is flowing. They don't have to worry about grid spot prices or brownouts. Nor the social and environmental costs.

Excess solar can be stored, and hydrogen made which then gets converted to electricity. Combined green carbon free steel or aluminium can be made with only local inputs.

It's only fair she sues them.

How else will she get any recompense and postive justice. Workers comp won't help much 😔.

A dodgy employer, who ran a highly dangerous workplace, purposely chose to ignore and defeat all safety rules and laws. He even falsified records as part of a criminal conspiracy to pervert justice.

A workplace so neglectful  of safety culture that a pilot was taking cocaine and didn't fuel the aircraft. Nor was that picked up as a essential check item.

 A pilot that responded to engine out by dropping the slung victim to his  guaranteed death as a first response, beggars belief. 

All from a cowboy group staring on TV shows. Certainly not cash poor or invisible to the regulator.

The bloke in charge should loose everything plus his liberty for a long time.

The pilot must also take his punishment.

Casa should also pay for allowing the unsafe sling operations to be approved the way they did.

Years ago,  it really was a heavily polluted place and you would never, ever eat a fish you caught.

Still, west of the bridge can be dodgy, over past Rydalmere is still yuck 🤮.

But the harbour itself is spectacular and species are recovering. I have seen large schools of large Yellow king fish hunt as groups into small bays and feast. Much healthier these days.

Sydney heads is mind-blowing to enter when you consider it's home to a huge city.

National parks and nature abound. 

Compare that to other international harbour cities.

5 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

The earlier figures I posted for Eastern Grid power generation today were at 15:30

 We're looking to see whether coal can ramp up or down.

 

At 18:57 with perhaps Air Conditioners turned on in some states, people home from work etc the outputs changed

 

Black coal generation ramped up 47% to 12,300 MW

Solar generation dropped 37.9% to 2130 MW

Wind ramped up 9.4% to 2593 MW

 

 

 

That how the Sun works , come 7pm it's getting darker

Don't worry it will be back on the morning 🌄

5 hours ago, turboplanner said:

You don't have to triple the output for our CURRENT, you have to increase their output over a Hundredfold, if coal-fired becomes financially non-viable.

 So on your figure of 27% of current solar would have to expand to  be 2700% of our total grid and wind 1100%?

Do you actually believe that?

Or are you saying 100 times more battery storage?

Coal is already completely financially unviable and environmentally immoral.