Teckair

Human factors, education is the ONLY thing that can stop it!Jim.

Yeah wishful thinking, it's been going on for years if people cannot learn from that then so be it. Do you really think that those 3 people had no idea that flying in those conditions has killed a lot of people? and that no one had explained that to them? What is that saying? there are no new ways to kill yourself in a aeroplane.

 

 

Lesson learned, hopefully all of you with autopilots & sky view EFIS will think twice about flying IMC when not qualified, or ridge running.

Not to mention GPS and many try to fly in IMC using GPS.

 

 

Scud running is a choice some pilots make because they want to get there, they know it is risky but they still do it. It is much like driving through flood water. Human Factors and training will not stop it, some pilots think they are good enough to get away with it. When a guy made a flight in very bad weather some time ago I said I don't know how you can fly around in this stuff. He said he had done a lot of it, I though there lies the problem every time he gets away with it he gets a bit gamer until.....

 

 

Allegedly 3 experienced pilots on board...the ATSB report will hopefully reveal what happened here so we who also fly can all understand how the aircraft ended up in the water.Very sad event for their families and RVAC friends. RIP.

 

Kaz

Yes but only one PIC.

 

 

I thought it was staged, a silly dangerous stunt, probably only put full power on at the last second, notice it climbed out after it got airborne.

 

 

The Allies where heavily in debt after the war, there was no need for training facilities as they had hundred of thousands of pilots.

So they burnt hangars down.

 

 

the rest they pushed into a hangar and set alight.

Yeah right.

 

 

Also, when you have an engine failure at very low level in it, you're pretty much screwed.

If that were true they should not be used for joy rides.

 

 

With some planes if you climb too steep and too slow they will stall in the event of an engine failure before you can get the nose down. I have always taught on take off to build up speed in ground effect and not climb too steep for the first 300 feet for this reason. I do not think the comments by HITC are out of line.

 

 

I imagine running out of fuel was the problem for that pilot HITC.

 

 

Okay good for that pilot.

 

 

Best way is to NOT suddenly apply full forward stick, full rudder and full aileron with full throttle at the same time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomcovak

I think 'tuck and tumble' is in regard to trikes, 2 axis.

 

 

Think you might be loading them up at that stage to make them fly slow at EC. That's only my opinion. No harm in mentioning it That's nearly the first air lesson.

They are only following through at that point but that is how the syllabus says we are supposed to do things.

 

 

Yes mushy, means slow and you would be taught that in your Straight and Level lesson,

Actually it is in the 'effect of controls' lesson first up.

 

 

That's not a test though.

Correct it is not, I am not sure how practical it would be to make students do it, or how much value it would be, teaching to avoid it in the first place might be better. The most common problem is the turn onto final which is too low for recovery. The steering on final with rudder is a recipe for disaster in the event of a engine failure and yet there are so many being taught to do that.

 

 

In a turn which is where must stall problems that bring you unstuck originate your safe speed is constantly changing .... Hands up who has ever been tested stalling in a turn. Nev

Me, and it is demonstrated to all students prior to issue of pilot certificate.

 

 

I took a second look that looks like tail wheel Pulsar, a very slippery aircraft, the speed will build up if you put the nose down like that. I had a engine failure after take off in the same type of aircraft as that only this one had a 912. I think mine was a bit higher than that one maybe 800 ft we were able to get back on the strip but were too high to go straight in, first thing to do, get the airspeed stabilised at 65 kts with flap down. Then I did a dog leg to get rid of some height then I was too low so flap comes off. Without flap I made the strip at an ideal height then the flap goes back down and a successful landing with no damage. The hairiest dead stick I ever did only made possible because I always practice glide approaches.

 

 

The forced landing looks to be at pretty high speeeeed. Nev

Yes that is what happens if you don't practice your glide approaches.

 

 

That would hurt.

He went straight ahead but that was about it.

 

 

Anybody who thinks they can ride that bike has no idea how riding a bike works. If you practiced long enough maybe you could but then you would not be able to ride a normal bike. I am not sure how that relates to flying accidents. What I think happens sometimes is, the more flying you do the better you think you are, because you are now so good you can get away with things less experienced people should not attempt. When doing a BFR for very experienced pilots who have had very few accidents I would talk about complacency but I did feel I was wasting my breath.

 

 

I don't think so Frankin in some cases people become complacent.

 

 

Sorry to disillusion you guys who said it's not going to happen

Nobody said that. I doubt anybody feels disillusioned by you.

 

 

When buying a plane do your true diligence check post 10.

 

 

You obviously didn't watch the video at the top of this page or perhaps you think that the video was doctored in some way. And with an I-Pad you can see exactly what the onboard video sees.

Just watched it again. I don't know how real that video is like most things on the internet you cannot be sure. One thing I am sure about if it is real then it would be real expensive. I think you can feel safe from them at this stage.

 

 

Any drone big enough to carry a hand gun would be expensive and quite inaccurate, you would be far more likely to be hit by someone holding the gun in their hand. I think this a load of paranoid crap.