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bass, I wasn't arguing. I have turned off bridging. It doesn't work. Andy, Reading your post, it is getting WAY too complicated. I have a machine I use mostly. I plug the phone into the USB port and connect to the 3G network. All is sweet. Now and then, it is handy to have internet access from other machines. Instead of having to move the phone to the other machine and do what I have to then back to the "main" machine I was hoping for an easy solution. setting up another machine means I have to get it setup with windoze - as I don't think HTC have a LINUX/UNIX version of their teather software - and boot it up if I want internet access. Wow..... WAY too difficult. :( It isn't a 3G dongle. It is a HTC Desire. I guess what an easy solution to it is that I change my fixed IP addresses to something in the range which the phone is giving me at the computer (USB) side of it. So: If my lan is 192.168.0.x and the phone gives me 192.168.100.x then it would simply be me changing all my IP numbers to that range - right? That is looking like the easiest solution.

Thanks guys. Yeah, I didn't explain it too clearly it seems. That is because that is not my usual area of work and it is still all "Greek" to me. Ok, I shall go back and read the posts again, but as good as the replies are, they are not "specific" enough to really help me. Ok, the setup: I have about 5 machines all on my LAN. THERE IS NO OUTSIDE ACCESS. I didn't say my ADSL LAN. It is just a LAN. LOCAL being the important word here. All the machines have their FIXED IP numbers. One machine gets teathered to the internet via its 3G. This is on a USB port. I asked else where: My internet is done from a USB port. I want to share that connection to my "LAN". I can't remember what it is called, but could someone help me set it up? And this is what I got: its generally called bridging. So reading the replies here, I would say that is not exactly the right thing for me to do. I've heard of ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) as well, but that is just as confusing/unknown to me as bridging, and when the reply came back saying it is "bridging" I went with that. So, what's the problem I am having? Well, my LAN works. When I connect/teather my phone to the/a computer (usually the same one) the computer's IP address changes. WAY WAY changes. I don't understand why when I think about it. The phone connects to the net. Not the computer. Outside the phone has an IP address it gets from the "3G" system. Back towards the computer it doesn't really matter what IP it has. So, if I can tell the phone to be a particular IP address - within the range of my LAN - all would be good. But I don't know which is the easier path now. Do I go with this ICS, NAT stuff, or can I simply tell the phone to use a certain IP address towards the computer? (HTC Desire OS 2.1 - can't upgrade to 2.2 for some weird reason. HTC's site says the IME is not accepted. That's another story. Just so you don't give me instructions which are only in 2.2 though.) All this talk about wireless modems/routers, etc. Yeah, nice, but that isn't where the "internet" connects to my LAN. It is through the phone and the computer into which is it plugged. Now, something else (added via edit) DNS.... When I go into my "network settings" and click on the TCP/IP and then properties I get the screen where I can set the IP as either fixed or from a server. Then it has a "Default DNS" (or something). DNS, yeah, Domain Name Server. I have fixed IP addresses and the LAN works. WHY/HOW this works I don't know. But I have set it (in all machines) to this one computer. Is this right or wrong? I don't think I can leave it blank.

When I plug my phone into the PC and use it to connect to the net is where I am having troubles. Yes, I can get all that part of it working. But here is the "problem": My PC has a FIXED IP address. As does my LAN. I want to "Bridge" the internet connection from the USB port to the ethernet port. Problem is that when the phone/PC connects to the internet, my IP number is changed. WAY WAY WAY different. So, I can see the internet, and all that good stuff, but I can't see any of the machines on my LAN. "BRIDGING" the two points is fairly easy. I open "Network connections" and highlight the two icons. RMB and select "BRIDGE". O/S: XP SP2. But I want a way that the ETHERNET side of the system keeps the original IP number. The phone to PC can have anything it wants.... So long as the "BRIDGE" only does that, and doesn't change the IP of the PC at the ethernet side of things. Anyone?

I heard - but it is probably wrong - that it was out of fuel. Someone will be a lot of trouble it this is true.

Strange no one else has seen this: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/pilot-makes-emergency-landing-on-eighth-hole-of-liverpool-golf-course/story-e6freuy9-1226044117089

Ok, I'm going to bite again. As much as KISS is a good idea, it is not always a good thing. When you are LEARNING, it is better to have ALL the information you need. It is not a good place to be: Flying a plane and trying to re-calculate your flight. You need to sit down and PLAN THE FLIGHT before you go. Although weather is not fixed, it gives you a starting point and you can work from that. Nowhere in that list is the weather report and flight plan listed. Though maybe implicit, they ARE needed. I think people are forgetting that we aren't just suddenly able to do this sort of thing. There are things which have to happen to us for us to learn. Taking a short cut will not be a good thing.

Ok, what I found: V AUSTRALIA has chartered a jumbo jet to fly today�s service between Brisbane and the US while it works out how long one of its Boeing 777s involved in a rejected take-off last night will remain grounded in Los Angeles. Flight VA2 was doing less than 130km/h in the early stages of its take-off roll when pilots aborted the lift-off because of problems with the performance of the left engine.

Coulda been a 340. Dunno.

As I got an ear full for posting in the "Crash" area last time when it wasn't a real crash, I'll post here. Heard on the news a V plane taking off from LA. They got off the ground - note: OFF the ground - there was an explosion and they aborted the take off. Question: If they are OFF the ground shouldn't they continue the takeoff and go around and land?

Sorry about the formatting, it is a cut/paste job from an e-mail. Subject: police report Augusta, GA Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia, told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his jacket... When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee, drew a knife and ran for the door. Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for the "Toys for Tots" program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury did not appear to be severe. After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was transported for treatment. The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a broken jaw...injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the curb after stabbing the Marine. Now that was a well written Police report.

Drats. Oh well.

Windsor, Apparantly not. Although anyone can say it is true, check with other sites and it WAS broadcast on ABC radio. They aren't (usually) that gullable.

Found it: This is a true story with an excellent outcome............ On Thursday, 24th January 2002, Derek Guille broadcast this story on his afternoon program on ABC radio. In March 1999 a man living in Kandos (near Mudgee in NSW) received a bill for his as yet unused gas line stating that he owed $0.00. He ignored it and threw it away. In April he received another bill and threw that one away too. The following month the gas company sent him a very nasty note stating that they were going to cancel his gas line if he didn't send them $0.00 by return mail. He called them, talked to them, and they said it was a computer error and they would take care of it. The following month he decided that it was about time that he tried out the troublesome gas line figuring that if there was usage on the account it would put an end to this ridiculous predicament. However, when he went to use the gas, it had been cut off. He called the gas company who apologised for the computer error once again and said that they would take care of it. The next day he got a bill for $0.00 stating that payment was now overdue. Assuming that having spoken to them the previous day the latest bill was yet another mistake, he ignored it, trusting that the company would be as good as their word and sort the problem out. The next month he got a bill for $0.00. This bill also stated that he had 10 days to pay his account or the company would have to take steps to recover the debt. Finally, giving in, he thought he would beat the gas company at their own game and mailed them a cheque for $0.00. The computer duly processed his account and returned a statement to the effect that he now owed the gas company nothing at all. A week later, the manager of the Mudgee branch of the Westpac Banking Corporation called our hapless friend and asked him what he was doing writing cheque for $0.00. After a lengthy explanation the bank manager replied that the $0.00 cheque had caused their cheque processing software to fail. The bank could therefore not process ANY cheques they had received from ANY of their customers that day because the cheque for $0.00 had caused the computer to crash. The following month the man received a letter from the gas company claiming that his cheque had bounced and that he now owed them $0.00 and unless he sent a cheque by return mail they would take immediate steps to recover the debt. At this point, the man decided to file a debt harassment claim against the gas company. It took him nearly two hours to convince the clerks at the local courthouse that he was not joking. They subsequently helped him in the drafting of statements which were considered substantive evidence of the aggravation and difficulties he had been forced to endure during this debacle. The matter was heard in the Magistrate's Court in Mudgee and the outcome was this: The gas company was ordered to: [1] Immediately rectify their computerized accounts system or Show Cause, within 10 days, why the matter should not be referred to a higher court for consideration under Company Law. [2] Pay the bank dishonour fees incurred by the man. [3] Pay the bank dishonour fees incurred by all the Westpac clients whose cheques had been bounced on the day our friend's had been processed. [4] Pay the claimant's court costs; and [5] Pay the claimant a total of $1500 per month for the 5 month period March to July inclusive as compensation for the aggravation they had caused their client to suffer. And all this over $0.00. This story can also be viewed on the ABC website. Who employs these idiots??

Folks, Dunno if I did post it here, but I am looking for the story. It is a true story about how stubborn a company is and makes someone write them a cheque for ZERO dollars to complete something. He writes the cheque and this causes the whole banking system to fail. The bank was fined. Can anyone remember if it was here? I have tried looking, but can't find it.

Well, it seems I need to download the update to the PC then update it from there. I have that APPMonster and have backed up the apps. But as doing the update from the PC is the only way, reading the stuff on HTC's site: Doing it this way WILL wipe all data. So it begs the question - for me - HOW do I back up all my contacts? And other stuff like messages etc. Also which file do I get from HTC's site? There is a version 3 ROM update mentioned. Also, I have NEVER used HTC SYNC. I use the phone for internet access. So I can't test while on the net. I plug in the USB cable, select SYNC, run HTC Sync on the PC and it loads. But that is as far as it goes. The two buttons do nothing. The phone complains it can't connect to the PC. So what am I missing?

ITMT, I have learnt I can NOT do it FOTA. I have to download the file and install it from the PC. Kinda good, kinda bad.

Update: Thursday morning. Sparrow **** time. I'm still no further in learning how to do it. settings/SD & Phone storage 49.6 Meg free. I'd prefere to do it FOTA (Free over the air) as that keeps existing apps. Shall call HTC later today. Any updates shall post here.

Hells bells! Just went to the HTC site! 3.0 is out! I've found a bit on how to do it, but they are doing it from a PC and have the file. But, they don't say from where they got the file. Seems I can't win.

Well, this peson to whom I just spoke got his new phone. Turned it on and it said it wanted to update. It updated and it is now 2.2. He is here in Oz, he is with Telstra.

Just spoke to another person (on Telstra) with a HTC Desire. His is 2.2. So it is out there and we are allowed to use it. Now I just gotta work out how.

2.2 is out...... Or is it called 2.1 - update 1?

Telstra But I hear (and once had) a message saying 2.2 was available.

Ok, that's weird. I am 2.1-update 1 I click on that and it says "Your phone is up to date" "there are no updates available for your phone". Huh?

Before it downloads, will it check it will fit?

I shall start looking but: Where do I see how much memory is free I'm the phone How much does the update need How do I invoke it