KRviator

There is a HUGE amount of stuff I'll never use that my taxes are uses for. What ever happened to "benefit of the local area/state/nation" stuff, or does that not suit aviation? As mentioned pay your fair share but I never remember getting gouged to use the local footy field.

You know it's funny. When the new charges went out for public comment I penned a letter and actually mentioned the 25 boat ramps spread across Wyong shire, suggesting Council would not dare charge weekend warriors a fee to launch or recover their tinny.Do you think they addressed that point?

 

 

Over 600$ an hour? More fool anyone who puts up with that! (I don't mean to call anyone in particular a Fool, just using the expression to put emphasis on the fact that paying that much for rec flying seems overly excessive to me.)I think most people are happy to chip in a little, especially when travelling and the place has some decent facilities.

No worries I understood where you're coming from. A good proportion of that is due to the sheer performance of the RV, being at circuit altitude on downwind in less than 30 seconds...Hence flying at least 10 laps an hour. But having the balls to charge you a refuelling fee, or a licence fee & parking fee and a fee for each landing is a bit rich. Which is why the RV is based at Cessnock for now. I drive an hour past Warnervale simply because of these charges. No one minds chipping in their fair share, but the operative word there is "fair"... How the local aero club makes out has got me stuffed.Here's the charges I worked out, based on 10 laps an hour, once a month.

 

For aircraft based there:

 

Annual "Licence Fee": $605

 

Annual "Parking fee": $1650

 

Landing fee: $15 per landing - no daily rate like at Bankstown or other aerodromes.

 

"Refuelling fee": $110 just to refuel on council land!

 

Fuel: $100

 

Total: ((605+1650)/12)+(15*10)+110+100=$547 + perhaps $50 in the kitty for insurance, oil, tyres and an engine overhaul.

 

For Itinerant aircraft:

 

$27.50 per landing, 10 circuits an hour. $275

 

$110 "refuelling fee" just to refuel on council land!

 

Fuel, $100.

 

(27.50*10)+110+100=$485 + the $50 for sundries.

 

But excessive charges only put people off, it may be justifiable for a commercial operator to pay more if they can pass the cost on but for us recreational users it will just turn us away.

The cynic in me suggests that is exactly what Council is trying to do. There is more money to be made flogging the land off to developers than maintaining it as an airport, even though they recently resurfaced part of the runway.

So next financial year it'll be $500/tonne MTOW per annum. And you're up in arms over that? I'd love to be based somewhere like that.

 

IF I fly circuits at Warnervale (in my own RV-9 too, mind you, not a school aircraft), it costs over $600 an hour! $15 per landing with no daily rate. $110 just for the privilege of refuelling on council land, not counting the actual fuel purchased. $1,650 "parking fee" per year and an annual "licence fee" of over $600.

 

It'd be cheaper to fly to Corowa and do an hour of circuits there!

 

 

what's the actual fee? And how can aircraft hangared there be charged if they don't fly?

 

 

The some what embarrassing outcome for the NRL when the grand final is played and there are thousands of unsold seats because sydeny ppl can't be bothered to go the grand final because of no local teams.

I was worried about that too, but with attendance last night being 82,758 and capacity of 83,500 there were only 759 empty seats in the stadium, less than 1%! We arrived early and settled in to the Crossbar and screamed ourselves hoarse at full time and the minutes after. The oversized cowboy hat I wore was a big hit with pretty much everyone, even the Broncos fans, and quite a few asked where I got it. :pEven getting home on the train wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, so all in all it was a great night, and a long-deserved victory for the Cowboys.

 

 

Definitely a Cowboys fan here, so I'll be at the final. Scored a pair of good tickets tonight when it became obvious they'd make it!

 

 

Why not just say that then? What's with the "Wrong number" and hanging up when he's trying to see where his refund is?

 

 

That's even worse!

 

 

Lack of confidence in passing as the aircraft that did a uturn was in the middle of the runway facing him

And herein lies a fundamental issue: You have pilots dispatched for solo operations, who do not know basic air law, or how to conduct operations safely at an uncontrolled airport. Ol' mate who followed them did nothing wrong, and for the student to want to do something inherently stupid due to alack of training is dangerous.

RepCon anyone?

 

 

With a 45m wide runway, and turning nodes either end, I'd simply follow them down, and if they demand use of the full length, advise "No worries" and slot in behind them at the end node. IF you'll be ready first, hook a 180 and blast off before him.

 

The CAR's do not prohibit two aircraft backtracking at the same time, only that you must not operate on the ground so as to create a hazard (CAR 166-2a), and not attempt to takeoff until no apparent risk of collision (CAR 162-8).

 

 

Casa have already done the checklists approved also by RA-Aus, they gave out thousands to anyone who wanted one, i got a few at Evans Head. This satisfies your checklist requirements and can sit right next to your useless A-SIC if you need one.

And there's another one or two.You do not need to be a member of the SAAA to fly an experimental.

 

There is no legislation that requires you to carry weather or NOTAMS. You must "make a careful study" of them prior to a flight away from the vicinity of your departure aerodrome, but you do not need to carry them.

 

You do not need a backup (Plan B?) EFB for private operations.

 

You are not required to lodge a flight plan (Some exceptions depending on airspace) nor are you required to maintain a flight log, nor are you required to lodge a SARTIME.

 

That kind of checklist is certainly geared towards a safer flight, but it does go over and above what is required for flight, and you only have to show the CAsA AP/Investigator compliance with the minimum standards for flight. Something they themselves would do well to learn. At least they didn't include a bunch of dodgy references in that one!

 

 

I know its an old thread, but could someone tell me more about sims.I'd like to know if there are any for jabiru's.

Nothing dedicated to the Jab, but certainly they're available as an add-on to FSX.Iris simulation has done the J160, that you can buy here for $28. They've even got a Dynon D10 in its panel!

 

There are also dozens of add-on airports, both freeware and payware available, if you google FSX Australian Airport or similar. Like here.

 

To run it, get the best computer you can afford. A good video card (1GB+) and at least 8GB of RAM should see you right, but bigger there is better. Keep an eye out on Occulus Rift, a set of 3D video glasses that will revolutionise flight sims in the months to come.

 

 

I will say it again slowly for you:As far as I know at Ausfly 2015 CASA did not do any ramp checks.

That's great. They didn't do ramp checks, this time. Even if they did, I know I am legal, but that doesn't mean CAsA does, when they don't know their own rules.Now, I will say it slowly for you...No one is claiming CAsA did ramp checks at AusFly!

 

But the comment was made the concern of CAsA doing ramp checks is enough to keep some people away (whether or not they are actually contravening the rules), and I agree with that sentiment. As I showed above, CAsA's guidance to GA pilots for ramp checks is fundamentally flawed, and if they do not know their own rules, or attempt to enforce their own thinking over and above legislation during a ramp check, then that is enough to deter some pilots.

 

When was the last time you were told you must carry photo ID as a pilot? But that is what CAsA are saying. Where's the CAR that says so? As best I can tell, there isn't one, but if you don't produce photo ID to a CAsA FOI during a ramp check "Well, you've broken the rules, buddy boy, because we say you must carry it...Here's your $3,500 'administrative fine', Merry Christmas!"

 

Had the RV been ready, I would have gone myself, but you tell me the kind of attention I would get from CAsA showing up in an RV-9A with telephone numbers on the side, whether or not they classed it as a "ramp check". Again, I know I am legal. I can prove I am legal. But that means nothing for someone who insists that an "RV is too heavy for RAAus, particularly when registered with two seats". You only have to look at the grief RAAus themselves caused me because they didn't understand the very legislation they administer. That's since sorted, but if RAAus (who you would think would have a pretty good understanding of CAO95.55) what hope does one have with CAsA?

 

IT isn't that they may or may not do ramp checks that is the problem. If there was consistency and a genuine Good Cop approach to it, there wouldn't be the stigma that is associated with them. But, unfortunately, CAsA has taken a different view and the result is, sadly, some pilots prefer not to attend events such as these to avoid that kid of confrontation, even though they have done nothing wrong.

 

 

There's a significant difference between someone actually operating illegally and CAsA saying they're operating illegally.

 

Cross-reference their own "Ramp check advice for GA pilots" with the CAR's and you'll see what I mean.

 

CAsA sez you must carry photo ID. I'm not aware of any legislation in the country - aviation or otherwise - that says so. Licence/PC, certainly, but photo ID?

 

CAsA sez you must maintain a Nav & Fuel log. CAR78 says you don't have to, only a log "sufficient to enable you to determine position at any time".

 

CAsA sez you must be compliant with FTDL's, but how do they prove it without your logbook - which you are not obligated to produce on the day?

 

CAsA references CAR5.108 for currency requirements - but it only applies to Commercial operators...

 

CAsA references CAO82.0 for EFB use, but that only applies to Commercial operations.

 

And that's just for starters. IF they can't get their own house in order, what hope have the rest of us got?!?

 

 

Kitplanes did a good review of the Panther last year, you can check it out here. IF you've always wanted a matched-hole RV-3 (and who hasn't?) the Panther makes a lot of sense.

 

 

Makes me wonder how often he's operated off the grass in preference to a sealed runway?

 

(I'll be here all week!)

 

 

I'll throw this in here, as it'll show up on a Google search for Cessnock... The new restricted areas to the East of the airport are covered in this AIP supplement. The map is on the back page.

 

 

Recreational Aviation Newcastle is also based there, with a Tecnam available, if you have no joy with Newcastle Flight Training. Dave & Keith are both good blokes, and I've flown with both.

 

Newcastle Flight Training does not appear to be a legitimate FTF, according to the RAAus listing. A Whois lookup of their website shows it was last modified in MArch this year, coupled with no contact details makes me wonder if it is a new school about to kick off? Their website says "They have the backing of Jetride..." who in turn lists a contact number of 1300 554 876, so you can give that a go, I suppose.

 

Whoever you fly with, be careful, there is a new restricted area to the east of Cessnock, LL4500, that probably hasn't made it to the charts yet. I also saw that Newcastle Flight Training's website shows RH Circuits for RWY 35, HJ. This is not correct! HJ CCTS, Rwy35 are left hand for daylight ops. Right hand for Night ops only.

 

 

Your eyes must be better than mine. Were the rego letters under that blurred-out bit near the fin?

Yep. Goto the CASA register, search "Sting" - there's only 2 on the register afterall, Google their rego for a photo and put two and two together. OF course, it could be RAAus, but with an identical livery to SDV? I don't think so...

I hope RAAus throw the book at him. No commercial use of our aircraft allowed.

VH-SDV according to a few minutes wth Google. Nothing at all to do with RAAus.And it is registered to a company in Beenleigh, AIUI, you can transport equipment for your company under PVT operations, so long as you are not receiving remuneration for the flight, that is, it is incidental to your normal duties with that company.

 

 

The Pilot known as Flyer in the PPC forums and Cavalon 48 in the rec flyers forum enjoyed flight. evolved into a faster machine "Gyro's" and appears to have pushed it to the edge. No excuses, we all do silly things and fortunately most of us learn from our mistakes. Have a thought for those that don't.

The problem with this belief is aviation is a terribly unforgiving activity and as has been said many a time, we must learn from the mistakes of others, for you won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.There is no excuse for hitting a powerline in what I would term "normal" recreational aviation. Ol' mate in his gyro clearly enjoyed hot-dogging at low level, using the permissibility of CAO95.12 to justify his actions and it cost him his life and very nearly that of his passenger. I sincerely doubt authorisation was obtained, or even sought, to operate <300AGL and as such, odds are the gyro was knowingly being operated in contravention of the CAO's. IF the insurer can prove this, it opens a massive can or worms for the pilots estate in terms of the injured passenger.

 

One thing to be aware of folks - just because you may have killed yourself by being an idiot, does not absolve your estate from compensating victims of your activity. IF someone was injured or killed as a result of the downed powerline, you can expect a massive claim against your estate with all the grief for your family that that entails. Don't believe me? Check out the case of Greg Maddock, former Energex CEO who stepped in front of a train whose driver subsequently and successfully sued his estate. Or the case of the cropduster (in NSW, IIRC) who dislodged, but didn't sever, a powerline and the power company repairman was subsequently injured on contacting the downed line, who in turn sued both the operator and owner -this is despite being aware of both the powerline's location and damage...

 

Have fun by all means, but just because something is legal does not make it safe. Or smart....

 

 

Try turning off your iPad, doing a soft reboot and letting it come back up, then go into OzRunways again and you should be right.

 

 

That'd make a really nice engine in the RV-9. A little tail heavy, but not overly so, and 120HP in the low teens on Mogas makes a cheap cross country cruiser!

 

 

I think that you mean't your post heading to state Dynon and not Dyson, unless you want to clean up your software. Alan.

Goddamn iPad and it's auto-cowrecks! That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. ;)

From software version 13, Dynon's SkyView EFIS now supports OzRunways and AvPlan mapping packages for those of us in Australia and EnZed! VTC/VNC/ERC look like they're supported at present.

 

The software itself will be available for download shortly after Oshkosh finishes up.