gibby

How about we wait for some real information. This sort of thing should not happen with anything other than a meteorological event or a mechanical failure and I don't mean engine failure.

Could be a willy willy. They are always around. You don't see them unless dust or cut grass, leaves indicate their presence. Nev

Yes there is a fence and then probably 300 to 400 meters there are power lines, beyond the runway the terrain has a slight incline. Words from the passenger is that the engine was still at full power when they came to rest and no mention of failure

Great that there are no injuries.An Esqual... engine unknown, but Esquals were distributed by a Bert Flood company, so possibly a Rotax. However, they also accepted Jab. engines.

 

The strip at Wangaratta is 1640 metres, from ERSA. The Esqual publicity says t/o to 15 metres obstacle, 138 metres: less than half that of a Foxbat A22! ( I personally believe that is utter BS, but then I am a cynic). BUT: if it is correct, then there would have been well more than 1K of strip on which to put down. The landing distance in the Esqual PR blurb - from over a 15 metres obstacle - is 200 metres (also less than a Foxbat).

 

SO: why does an engine failure at 3 metres off the deck, with maybe 5 times the potential required landing distance directly in front of it, result in a major crash landing ending in a ball of flame?

 

The mop-up of this, with the health hazards of combusted carbon fibre, will not be cheap.

ABC interview with the pax ...he said they lifted off and the wing dropped and they crashed...no mention of any engine failure...most likely hauled it off the ground 2 up

Great that there are no injuries.An Esqual... engine unknown, but Esquals were distributed by a Bert Flood company, so possibly a Rotax. However, they also accepted Jab. engines.

 

The strip at Wangaratta is 1640 metres, from ERSA. The Esqual publicity says t/o to 15 metres obstacle, 138 metres: less than half that of a Foxbat A22! ( I personally believe that is utter BS, but then I am a cynic). BUT: if it is correct, then there would have been well more than 1K of strip on which to put down. The landing distance in the Esqual PR blurb - from over a 15 metres obstacle - is 200 metres (also less than a Foxbat).

 

SO: why does an engine failure at 3 metres off the deck, with maybe 5 times the potential required landing distance directly in front of it, result in a major crash landing ending in a ball of flame?

 

The mop-up of this, with the health hazards of combusted carbon fibre, will not be cheap.

Tatts Finke Desert Race

[/url]July 14 at 5:32pm[/url] · · Sports

Statement from the Finke Desert Race Club

On Tuesday we received the devastating news that Billy Hayes of Deep Well Station had been killed in a light plane accident whilst mustering cattle on New Crown Station. Billy was doing what he loved; working on the land with cattle.

He was a father, an esteemed cattleman, a character and a talented bike rider, but most of all he was our friend.

...

Billy was a great supporter of motorcycle racing and he revelled in the Deep Well Enduro and the Finke Desert Race; both of which were on his door step. He loved Finke and along with supporting many riders he was a keen competitor. An accomplished but unassuming rider, he finished Finke in outright third position in 1998 on a CR500 alongside his mates Rick Hall and Stephen Greenfield. This was a hugely popular result with three local fella’s doing what they loved in Billy’s back yard.

Throughout the 2000’s the camping crowds along the Finke track began to surge and despite Deep Well bearing the brunt of campers, Billy wanted to work with the Finke Committee. He recognised how much the event meant to so many others and didn’t want to restrict camping, but it was reaching a stage where the amount of rubbish left by campers was having an impact on his livelihood of running Deep Well as a cattle station. Together we worked to educate people around responsible camping - taking your rubbish home and being careful with fire. This year was in his words the best he had seen post event and he was a happy man. This year also saw eldest son Luke (pictured with Billy) finish 6th outright in Finke. Billy was a mighty proud father.

There is an old saying - you never know how much you miss a place until you leave. The same can be said about friends - you often don’t realise how much they mean to you until they are gone. Shock has now turned to sorrow and a sense of great sadness with many people affected by Bill’s passing. Along with grieving, be mindful that we all handle these events differently. Some will want space, others will need comfort. Don’t be too proud to seek out your mates.

To mother Jan Hayes, we offer our deepest condolences. Both your husband Billy Snr and son Billy are two men that so many of us were proud to call our friends. They are now just that little bit too far away.

To Billy’s boys and extended family, we were so lucky to know Billy and share a part of our lives with him.

We will all hold on to those memories.

Vale Billy Hayes...

Channel 9 news states that the aircraft has been found of cape Byron, pilot is still missing.

This is a great video of why you don't try to turn back after engine failure

Also heard on the news earlier that the same plane had suffered engine failure 15 years ago and had landed on a road with a much better result

The Comanche 400 took its fair share of doctors scalps in the USA as well

Its quite funny reading the should of could offs about incidents on this forum but every situation is different, there are so many variables that can change the outcome and unless you are in that situation its pretty hard to judge pilots decisions and actions, aircraft type makes a big difference some glide very well, some glide like bricks, some are over the fence at 40 knots some at 90 knots, wind direction and strength maybe gusts or turbulence. I am sure anyone that has been in this situation would love to have another go and rectify all the mistakes they made. If you can survive engine failure unhurt but destroy your aircraft that is a good outcome, you can not by your health!!

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/03/20/14/17/four-people-survive-after-light-plane-crash-in-south-east-Victoria

a few banged up aircraft and some lucky people

possible control issues, elevator maybe, atsb will be on site to determine the cause, I don't think he was trying to stretch his glide

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airfactsjournal.com/2015/02/fatal-cirrus-crashes-way-thank-parachute

Interesting read, the stats on surviving a crash if you pull the chute are way better than if you dont

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-16/ultralight-pilot-survives-crash-at-yarrawonga/6115218

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2885264/crash-landing-at-yarrawonga/?cs=11

Not sure of type. they have just re opened runway 05/23 due to non compliance so will be interesting if it was on 05.

Nine news reported that the pax was an experienced pilot with over 50 years under his belt. news stated he used to fly outback and preach the bible. Not very Christian like to try to bring a plane down!

It was engine failure straight from the horses mouth. 9 news interviewed the pilot.

9 news interviewed the pilot and he said it was engine failure. He was 72 and had been flying for 40 years. Good job to get it down and dodge the golfers on the fairway

today show this morning shows a jabiru down south of Brisbane, both pilot and pax walked away