Munger

Morning All, Does anyone know if an Airport or the decommissioning of a licensed airfield to unlicensed has an influence on the 'City' status of a town? Hope you are all well!

One of the Lismore City councilors has made the following statement in an email: "... There is much empathy with the residents affected by the noise of the touch and go and circuit training and I believe some want the airport closed as aviation is a significant user of fossil fuels." This prompted me to have a look at the statistics and I was able to find some verifiable 2018 figures: Avgas was 0.15% of the total Road/Aviation fuel consumption in Skippiestan. Yes, Turbine Fuel was 22%, which admittedly, is a pretty significant figure... Yet again, when the emotions run high, context and facts are obfuscated.

Nice to see: https://aopa.com.au/lismore-aviators-call-on-aopa-australia-for-help-facing-unsustainable-increases-in-airport-fees/ Hope it will have some results! A

I see your point. Unfortunately, us YLIS Aviators were too busy committing aviation until we were made aware of the March 2021 Draft Budget proposal...now it seem that every day we find stuff that has been out in the community for a while, creating this emotional anti-aircraft noise storm... Counter attack by governance seems like a really good strategy into the future! Thank you for putting us wise to it, and I hope this will help others too in future.

That would be Kevin Hogan MP....just checked out what he is at the moment: Minister for Local Government 🙂 I think he will need to be visited once the Covid restrictions in NSW are lifted....

...about that: From the Aircraft Noise Ombudsman (https://ano.gov.au/reportsstats/statistics/annual_report_2019_2020/AR2019-2020-attachments.asp)

What a complex subject! A possible solution would have been to buy up all the land around it, up to the edge of the noise complaints... In terms of Aircraft noise, I see the biggest difference in having an established noise generator vs a new development. In terms of Lismore, we have substantially less noise than in the 80's and 90's, but the sensitivity to noise has substantially increased, especially by new member of the community who were never exposed to previous levels. All you have to do it look at what happened in the 2017 floods...new business owners in the CBD did not take it serious and post flood suffered the biggest losses. The Public Health act is definitely something to consider though. If there is already a move against high amenity noise (can be very subjective, as Turboplanner pointed out), then ANY noise generating infrastructure is under thread. I do agree that sometimes there is ways of mitigating issues, but in my experience with engineering, it's always a compromise. In the case of noise (being subjective) I fear that the compromise will not be logical and shared....God, I have turned into a cynic!

In your opinion, do we want a horizontal distance away from the aircraft or directly under the flight path at full noise take-off passing overhead? (That would be worst case scenario) We can always do a ground cruise run at a horizontal distance away from the aircraft (we know which one is the noisiest that frequents the airport).

That is a very interesting document! Is the reduction of noise by distance a known standard?

Diving into the whole aircraft noise winger problem, I found that there is a larger number of articles on the Daily Telegraph about Bruxner Hwy noise.... so you may have a chance....

Evening All, For all of you who will have to deal with Aircraft Noise Complaints in future, the Australian Standard for this is AS2021-2000 (Acoustics - Aircraft Noise Intrusion - Building Sitting and Construction). This will eventually lead you to: https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/industry-info/anefs-and-aneis/ Turns out, this is a rather complex matter! I'll keep posting interesting things when I find them....

And thank you Turboplanner for showing me the way to find info! 👍

I am guessing that the planning portal NSW will have info on what you can submit, 'why you would want to' and how? Just to clarify the hierarchy of the planning levels: RCAP >> LEP>>Zoning>>DA?

I think this was in response to public submission on the upcoming council budget, not the Draft Lismore Regional City Action Plan (RCAP). I did not know this level of planning even exists until turboplanner pointed it out...(Thanks again for your input)...

https://www.planningportal.nsw.gov.au/lismoreRCAP Is that the document you are looking at?