BirdDog

Great result.  Wonder why it went down 

Thanks lads.  All very good points.

I am in no rush to go out and change.  I am using pen and paper for now, which is working.

Thanks again for your input.  Very much appreciated.

On 23/04/2025 at 9:17 AM, skippydiesel said:

The issues, as I see them, are;

 

THE NEGATIVES

• ASIC achieves nothing - it does not enhance safety/security one jot.
• Its cost (to you), while relativly minor in the aviation context, is you purchasing a none product - you may as well burn the dollars (would you do that?) . For the most part you will not be asked for your ASIC, no one will see it. It's a bit of fancy plastic with your photo on (bling) , I guess if it make some people feel like a real pilot - then it has achieved something.
• The applicant is supposed to be subject to an in depth security check. From the number of failures (crims bringing drugs in) this has not achieved nothing, other than to open a security file on the innocent.
• It has been and is costly for the tax/ratepayer - security fencing & gates had to be installed and now maintained - all for nothing.
• ASIC is used to limit access to the  "airside" of an airport to people who have passed a security process (certified as non threatening) - what's to stop the bad people from conducting a terrorist act from outside the airports security fence? - nothing.
• As a PIC of an aircraft, you have the right to navigate where you choose (within the airspace  limits) land at any public airport - this right has been diminished for no  practical purpose/gain.
• The only thing that the imposition of ASIC on private pilots wishing to access certain rural airports has achieved has been to reduce visitation, make fuel management  a little more difficult and ready access to town services problematic - all for no gain.
• I see the requirement to hold an ASIC much like being forced to have ID documents , as in a totalitarian regime. Most of us will already carry multiple de facto ID documents - various licenses, medical & credit cards, etc - how does ASIC add value to this?
• As private pilots, why have we, as part of the general population, been singled out for this discriminatory treatment?- Cars are more likly to be used in a terrorist act. Motorbikes are favoured by certain criminal groups, etc etc - do they have to carry a fancy card suggesting they are right & proper people to use a public space?

THE POSITIVE

• In the unlikly event that you are required to show your ASIC, it will prevent you being penalised - about $5,000

 

The ID examples you have given, all archive a meaningful goal;

• Licenses show you meet certain criteria to carry out an activity (eg driving).
• Rego (in NSW) indicates your vehicle was at the time of inspection, "road worthy" and contributes to road infrastructure development/maintenance.
• Club membership also indicates your conformaty to certain interests/values and contributes to club operating costs, usually confers some privileges on the holder.😈

Sorry for the really late reply - I have been away.

To answer one of your statements -  "For the most part you will not be asked for your ASIC, no one will see it"


I get asked for my ASIC every time I need to get back to my aircraft at Canberra.  If I land, and leave the AD (which is what I do all of the time) they will not let me airside without it.  Mr Security Man asks me for it - EVERY TIME - Even though he likely knows my face now, he will not let me past the gate without it.

I have also been bailed up and asked for it the last 2 times I visited Shell Harbour.  In fact, I was reprimanded because it was in my pocket and not yet around my neck.

They are the two main security ADs I visit (Oh.. and Albury) but I have not had anyone ask me there yet, but have only been twice.

Plus.... I travel OS a lot and get the fees waived for money exchange when I go - which is nice.

Meh - it's a non event to me. But understand some may take exception!  Each to their own!

Cheers

J

Thanks Burnie.

It will not be used as my primary Nav.  I currently have an iPad Pro that will still come with me in the cockpit.  

I also have a full glass Garmin cockpit, and an also an Iphone that also carries Oz Runways.

This is more for scratching things down.  Things like checking weather, ERSA and other data needed on the fly.

I am thinking Mini might be the way to go here.

Thanks Benny

I was looking at them yesterday - they look good.

I was thinking an iPad Mini.  I have the 11 inch right now, but I think that may be too big.  Mine is a stick between the legs, so was thinking it might be too big.

Cheers

J

Hmm.. Maybe I am out of the loop, but what is the problem here?  

So you need to ID yourself to get to certain airports - What's the big deal?  Heck, I can't get into my local RSL unless I am a member!! LOL!

Are you against the cost?  Or just having to ID yourself to get access to certain airports?

I don't see the problem, to be honest.  I did mine online, and and with the local PO, and it was painless (yes had a cost) but was a non event!  Lots of tings have a cost.  Car Rego, Drivers Licence, Local Clubs, etc etc.

If the cost of your ASIC is the largest of your problem, then I reckon you have few problems. But that is just my opinion.

But again, I am not sure what the actual issue is here.  10 minutes of paperwork and a visit to the PO.  I go there everyday to check my mail anyway!  LOL!

Hello all.

So I have come here seeking some advice.  I currently use a kneeboard (pen and paper) but I am thinking on moving to an iPad Kneeboard with an Apple Pencil, and am looking for peeps that have already done this.

My aircraft is a Bristell with a stick, so I am concerned it will get in the way.

So...

What is your experience?
What size iPad do you use?
Was it worth it?

Any other comments?

Cheers all
J

It's actually happening!!  

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/three-killed-after-small-plane-crashes-into-paddock-in-victoria/news-story/a51ef6f9b665f7dbcc931699a3e81bf9

This is more about Uncrewed Traffic Management UTM and Airspace Management more than many realise.   This is not just about drone delivery.

13 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

How about you put the details in the "Started A Spare parts List"

Not sure what you are on about mate. Sorry. 

Perfect!  I went looking for Wagga Tyres, but it was the Bike bit that did the trick!

Thank you!

Hell All,

I am looking for new tyres for my Bristell - I am near Wagga, but happy to ship in.

I need 5X5 8ply or 10ply.

Any leads would be well appreciated.

Cheers

J

4 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Maaate! "wringing the neck out of my machine,"  It would seem you are inferring that a faster aircraft (on the same power/fuel consumption) must be being operated in a manner that will result in reduced engine service life.

You a willfully ignoring the fact that the efficiency of a given airframe, is pretty much dictated by its accumulated drag.

Reduce drag and you may go faster, for the same energy consumed or the same air speed, for less energy consumed.

There is no suggestion that anyone is"wringing the neck out of  (anyones) machine," - this is emotive nonsense.

 

I cruise my Sonex at 5000-5300 rpm. Once in a blue moon I may do a beach/strip run at WOT (5450 rpm in my aircraft)  All rpm are within Max continues. 

 

 "Fuel consumption, I care little for.  I am not worried about burning a new extra litres per hour."  You probably own a Rolls Royce, bully for you! In my World fuel consumption is an important factor in selecting a suitable aircraft for my purpose.
 

"For me, it's about enjoying my flying without counting the minutes."  Skary statement! If this be the case, you should be very concerned with fuel consumption per hour, as this equates to minutes in the air, otherwise known as endurance. Me thinks your approach to flying, places you in danger of fuel exhaustion  and the potentially unpleasant consequences thereof.  😈

Skippy, Normally I would simply pass over dribble like this, but I though it worth a retort.

Methinks you know nothing about who I am or what I do.  I was taught to fly by whom I would consider one of the best instructors in the country.  That said, and I don't really need to explain myself to you, but if you think my caring little about fuel consumption makes me dangerous, you obviously don't have enough common sense to know I meant, I really don't care if I spend a few more bucks to get where I want to go, rather than your insinuation that I don't actually plan my trips.

So... next time you feel the need to open your mouth and let your belly rumble, take a minute to have a think that you probably know cock all about the bloke you are about to berate.

Lastly... I was talking about wringing the neck out of my own machine.  Never did I compare it to any other airframe or configuration.  You do you bro, and I will do me.  all I ask is you think twice about painting me with a brush that you know little about.  All that does is make you look silly.

Let's not do that, and just be kind to each other.  It's a better world that way.

Cheers

J

19 hours ago, BurnieM said:

As somebody else mentioned earlier you need a Garmin GPS20A (about $1600?) as well for your position source.  Worldwide they will not accept the G3X inbuilt GPS. This has been the same since the G3X was introduced so should have been known to your avionics installer.

 

Yep!  Exactly!  Factory built by BRM too - which is disappointing.  😞

That said, I am not overly concerned.  I don't fly into Sydney etc, and the likes of Canberra and other smaller controlled ADs, don't require it.  Everyone else can see me, so that will do.  🙂

1 hour ago, Freizeitpilot said:

and I believe Bird Dog’s point was that some recreational pilots don’t give a rat’s left gonad about speed - they simply want to enjoy the view. But if outright $/kt efficiency floats Skippy’s boat, well that’s fine too.
 

Each to their own. Bragging rights ? Not interested.

Exactly!  PLUS... I don't like wringing the neck out of my machine, just to get there 10 minutes earlier.  Plus... I get to enjoy that mad view out the window a bit more.  

Fuel consumption, I care little for.  I am not worried about burning a new extra litres per hour.  For me, it's about enjoying my flying without counting the minutes.  😉 

My system does not have the GPS 20A and that is the problem.  

28 minutes ago, KRviator said:

How have you got it setup in the settings menu? Should be outputting a SIL of 3 (from memory, am away from my -9 for a bit, will check in a couple days). Anything less than that and TAAATS is programmed to automatically reject it on the controller's display as it doesn't have sufficient assurance that the position transmitted is actually the position you're at.

Yep!  It's the Experimental version of the Garmin systems, so it does not put out what they want, and I don't think it is even an option without the certified GPS attached.

1 hour ago, Kyle Communications said:

What ADSB are you using?

 

Garmin - Part of the complete G3X Touch Systems.  It is EXPERIMENTAL and so does not put out SIL 3 as they want.

It's funny, I often find myself in these discussions about performance LSA type aircraft, and the reality is, if one really need lots of speed, then one fly something fast, and stop trying to wring the neck out of a 912ULS to get past 120kts.

I had this chat the other day and said, I like to sit on about 112-115  That will do.  This guy says... yeah I like to sit at least 120, as I like to get there.

Hmm... I had to remind him that the reality is, there are a number of factors that could speed you up or slow you down!  Simply arriving at the airport and having to either wait a bit to get down or the like, and the valuable minutes you saved torturing your engine, are gone.  Add to that head winds and tail winds, and well, it all goes out the window.

For me, the journey is just as important as the destination!

On 21/04/2024 at 11:41 AM, KRviator said:

No, it doesn't need to be 'certified' or TSO'd for RAAus or Experimental - it just has to meet the performance standards of the TSO and have a certificate saying as such.

Neither the Garmin GPS20A or the Dynon SV-GPS-2020 are certified, TSO'd or otherwise, yet both are completely acceptable GNSS position sources for ADS-B in Australia for LSA & Experimental, and have been for many years.

That being said, you cannot use that (non-TSO'd) GNSS position source for navigation but for ADS-B, it is perfectly acceptable per CAO20.18 and Part 91 MOS 26.66
 

 

Hmm.. Interesting!  Then why is it that ATC can not see my ADBS data at all?  I show up on Flight Radar and Flight Aware, but ATC into Canberra - NADA!

7 hours ago, Garfly said:

It'd be strange if this remains the case (that ATC can't see SE2 transmissions).

(And even more strange that we don't have clarity on it by now, one way or the other.)

This was written back in 2021 in Flight Safety Australia in an article called  "VFR and Visible"

 

 

Can ATC ‘see’ my SkyEcho2?

The prime objective of SkyEcho2 is air-to-air traffic awareness – the device is not certified to the performance standards needed for ATC separation services. Nevertheless, CASA envisages the device being used for situational awareness by ATC.

By early this year, the Airservices Australia ATC system had not been modified to display SkyEcho2; however, it is expected that with a new ATC system on the way, SkyEcho2 transmissions will be displayed to controllers, for situational awareness only, using distinctive symbology which will prevent the application of surveillance separation standards to those aircraft. Given the COVID crisis, there is uncertainty about when this capability may be delivered by Airservices Australia.

 

 

VFR and visible _ Flight Safety Australia copy.pdf 447.36 kB · 0 downloads

so ATC themselves have told me they will only see the Mode C data and not the ADSB data. 
 

I’ve tested this in the air.  Same for the sky echo. 
 

This also from Garmin. 
 

To enable ADS-B Out with a SIL > 3 you will be required to provide the GTX 32ES with an approved GPS Source. If which the standard G3X is not. 

Only passing in want I’ve been told. 

Here's hoping on the weather.  😄

Yep!  I had the same issues.

I run a couple of Garmin G3X Touch glass panels.  It actually has ADSB out - so I thought, great - I will upgrade to full ADSB in/out and claim a rebate.  Was told though, that because its classed as experimental, and does not have a certified GPS source, 2 things might be an issue - getting installed and signed off by a LAME, and the fact that ATC will not see it anyway!

So I paid for the upgrade myself, and at least I have ADSB in/out.  I have done some research and although all the aircraft around me can see my ADSB data, ATC at say Canberra will only see my Mode C transponder - which is fine - as that is the minimum Canberra want to enter the airspace. 

Same with SkyEcho.  Other airspace users can see it, ATC don't - so my data tells me.

Still a bit silly in my books, but that's apparently the way it is.

I have flown and flown in a few aircraft in this category, and I was sceptical before I bought mine, but a Bristell NG5 does it for me.  Fast, comfy and looks sexy as!!  😄 

Seriously though - one of the most roomy cockpits in its class, with adjustable pedals etc etc. 

If I had the tenacity, I would drop a 916 in it and try and tear the wings off!!  😂