Astroguy

This is a nice chunk of information. It is a short and sweet for landing do's and don'ts. Like I said earlier it is nice the people take the time to shate their collective knowledge.

Thanks

DaveP

Below is a link to Trent Palmer youtube.... I watched it few weeks back when I was working my forced landings... its a bit long but worth watching...

thanks for the post.... see vid below

Rodger that... Also considering a true engine out would have far greater drag therefore a worse glideslope... I will be working on coming in higher. Thanks very much! Dave

OK, my guesstimate was on the back of the proverbial matchbox. But, based on my schools' pricings:20 hrs flight time* @ $220/hr dual (GST incl) = $4400

 

20 hrs briefing practice & classroom time @ $44/hr = $880

 

Total = $5280

 

* this assumes that the trainee requires 1 hr of brief/debrief to go with each 1 hr of flight. So, in effect, the trainee is paying $44/hr for this CFI's time.

 

All of the above assumes that, not only do you have 125 hrs PIC of an RAAus aircraft, but, you are able to fly the aircraft very well from the RHS. Unless you have this skill, then it's not easy for you to both fly and 'patter' the lessons simultaneously. Your patter must be closely linked to the control manipulations - bloody hard to achieve when you start.

 

It also assumes that you are well versed in your BAK theory.

 

As well, you'll have to develop 'public speaking' skills so as to avoid freezing up when you stand up in front of several students in a classroom. The pre-flight briefing is probably as important in the learning-to-fly process as is the training flight itself. Therefore, it must be understood by the student and you don't bore them to death... (metaphorically that is).

 

Now, if a pilot was to front up with their own aircraft, which would necessarily have fully functioning dual controls and brakes, and be fully insured to cover me for training, then you'd only need to pay the instructor charge out rate of $88/hr, but this would be for every hour involved in ground and air training. Remember that the schools' aircraft is sitting idle while the CFI is conducting your briefing and flight training, and 'eating its' head off!'

 

One of the items not included here is the one of 'mutual' practice by trainee instructors. They cannot take out anyone else other than an instructor, but if there were 2 trainees doing the course together, it's possible for them to conduct practice flights after they have completed the dual component for each section. This pretty much doubles the total in flight practice instructing that trainees do. IMHO, this is one of the better points of the CASA GA instructor rating.

 

As a newly minted instructor, you have to be supervised by a CFI initially, and for this purpose, the CFI needs to be on site and readily 'available.' This isn't too well defined in Ops Manual, but if the CFI understands their responsibilities, particularly in respect to safety matters, then we are all very, very careful about employing instructors. So, the new instructor becomes, in reality, a 'cost' to the flying school until such time as they are 'out' of supervision. Don't expect to be paid $88/hr for your efforts while the CFI is just supervising.

 

I'm not sure about other locations, but in WA we seem to have very few available 'junior' instructors about. There are times when having one available would be handy. I can't think of a single school which has sufficient flying for it to fully employ the CFI, let alone several junior instructors - so perhaps that explains the apparent shortage of juniors. However, for the new instructor to be truly involved, then they should make individual efforts to attract students - not just sit back in the lounge and expect to be fed a stream of grateful students. I don't think much has changed in this respect in the last 50 years: junior instructors 'hustle' for trade as has long been the case.

 

Trust this goes some way to your understanding of the instruction process, happy days,

I might never make flight instructor...and that's perfectly ok.

I started all this thinking I'd only go until I completed a solo circuit.... but the bug has bit me hard

Thanks for the contact

DaveP

BTW just a note.... I only need 50 hours in Canada to instruct but I don't have any positi

You keep at it Astroguy. . . .you could well be a GREAT instructor and Mentor. . .just make sure you get some decent avaition experience in the meantime mate. . .all the best to you.Kind regads,. . .Phil.

And I do appreciate any comments that people take the time to show an interest with their inputs... I respect anyone who has greater experience than I.

Thanks again

Dave

Not ALL people should FLY planes either, Phil let alone be instructors. Many of us learned to fly, DESPITE some of the instructors we "endured". Everyone contributes "something" even if it's a desire to not emulate them, when you get your chance to instruct, if that is your wish.. Many pilots have told me they would not have the patience. to do that job. I must say that aspect of it hasn't entered into my thought music. IF you're keen, I will keep on fronting up. unless it's obvious that you will forever struggle. That's a difficult place to identify precisely and needs some considerable discussion, between the parties.. In the services they just scrubbed you, and that's it.. They even had a % to be eliminated. Richtofen (the red Baron) pranged quite a few planes, early on and could easily have been scrubbed. Fortunately (for them) they didn't do that.. Nev

I absolutely love flying and all the 'stuff' that goes with it.

Thanks for the contact

OMG. . .I've bin CAUTIONED . . . .Listen Phil. . . .If you Don't like my Post, then SAY SO.. . ..Lets have a sensible argument. OK ?. . .My OPINION is just that. . . . .doesn't make it right does it ?. . . throwing yellow paint over it doesn't make sense really mate. . .If you disagree with me, then let's hear the reasoning in your argument lad. . . ..otherwise you're simply chucking shyte up the wall of my house for no reason. . . .

Anyhow...I am very aware of the odd nature of teaching after 50 hours and am not too sure of what to think but I will initially simply be doing familiarization flights sort of like my PAX rating.

I worked in hospitals for years and I recall surgeons using the phrase "see one...do one... teach one"!!!! and I wasn't sure what to make of that remark.

My flight instructor sees a bit in me that might work with instruction...he has well over 1,000 hours and I'm using that as a bit of a guide to move forward but I do appreciate these comments that are thought inspired and take time to type out.

Again I do thank everyone .... it really helps you think outside of your own cranium to be able to use 1,000's of hours of experience across the world to help me.

The internet really give me access to a million experiences and I thank you for it.

Dave Pianosi

Not wishing to be a wet blanket here. . ..It is My personal belief that Not all pilots are capable of being INSTRUCTORS in the art of flying aeroplanes. . .however 'Brilliant' they think that they are,Nor how many hours that they have in their logbook. . . ..

 

It takes many many hours, nay Years of varied experience before ANY pilot has sufficient, all round experience to effectively pass on their garnered, brass plated knowledge to an innocent person. In the same way that not all people can become effective schoolteachers. . unless they have the 'Spark' that makes them GREAT teachers. . .we have all met instructors who seem to be lacking in some aspect or other. .. if you have not,. . then you are a lucky aviator. . . .

 

In my own experience of various 'Instructors' I have to say that when you have around 5 -600 hours of flight experience, in all sorts of wildly different weather conditions,. . and have made all of the horrible mistakes and errors yourself AND SURVIVED. . ,. . .perhaps then, you MIGHT be able to become a useful mentor for NEW pilots. . .until then,. . .build your experience and don't try to make money out of innocent people until you fecking KNOW the subject inside out.. . .

 

Otherwise,. . .you are not helping to make safe aviators, and doing them NO favours in the process . . . .Just helping to add to the other thread on here,. . accidents. . .etc. . .

DaveP

Instructing is a fast way to really see if you can fly. It will (I hope) motivate you to be really on the ball and be a bit of a magician at the same time. Learn to pull the rabbit out of a hat now and again when it is really required. You have to let the student go far enough without letting them go too far into the crash you just save them from. Being able to fly is one thing. Being able to pass the skills on is another. Good luck with it. Nev

Communication.... I"m usually good at it.... but I'm finding that I have to learn alot considering I am a good communicator. Trying to estimate the students ability and background knowledge and so on.... It is a bigger jump than I had thought.... about the same size jump as getting my license in the first place.

Also... as you say...learning how to let the student go far enough to learn!! and not die!!!

Oh well I"m looking forward to this, and thanks for the contact!

Dave

You'll find instructing is very rewarding, but onerous at the same time. You'll be more nervous than the 1st student that you send solo: believe me, you'll be sooo happy to see them back safely on the runway.btw, here in Australia, the minimum TT for instructing is 125 hrs of in command flying in an 'ultralight'. This, plus a 20 hrs flying course done with a senior instructor, and a test by a Pilot Examiner. Included with that 20 hrs flying is at least 20 hrs of briefing practice and theory presentation, including what we call 'Principles & Method of Instruction'. Your cost to do the instructor course is not less than A$5000 at most schools.

 

But spare a thought for the student instructor in GA in Australia - 30 hrs dual flight + 20 hrs 'mutual' practice with another student instructor, plus much more than 50 hrs of theory & briefing presentation. Takes at least 6 weeks full time and runs out closer to A$18,000. Then, you are tested by our CASA - and the failure rate for 1st try is very high (66% I think).

 

happy days,

Here in Canada the flight instructor for UL permit is way way less....maybe not a good thing.

It's minimum of 50 hours flight time.....then 10 hour course and 5 further hours specialized right seat flying flight time...then a written exam.... then a flight check ride with an unaffiliated Pilot Examiner instructor....

I'd say the grand total for for all the hours plus exam costs and check rides will be just around the $12,000 Cdn mark.

I am really looking forward to have this chance..

I can only imagine what you say concerning the first time you give the all clear for a solo!! wow!!

thanks for the contact

I'm thinking of getting my Flight Instructor Rating Ultralights.

The Ikarus C - 42 is an advacned ultralight that I have been flying for 50 hours now and in Canada that is enough to obtain your Instructor rating after another 10 hrs grounds school and another test in Ottawa and another check ride with unassociated test flight instructor.

So I'm going for it.... it allows certain privileges that I don't have with my ULPP (Ultralight Pilot Permit) plus I could then start taking people on familiarization flights and some basic instruction to start.

Not bad for a guy who simpley wanted to fullfill a bucket list item of solo control of an airplane in one circuit....but now I"m addicted!

Video of my practice flight in the circuit below..

Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyIKfuDX9ww

right... you can always spill excess energy but you cannot add energy with a dead engine.I

Thanks.... loads of practice coming but I will move my aim point....good and simple tip.

My forced landings need working on! Video link below.

I am flying an Ikarus c 42 LSA and at 42 hours logged total.... I need my forced landings to be improved.

I am starting them from a low altitute of 1,200 feet and am finding that I'm coming short most of the time.

Any tips for me?

Dave

LSA Ikarus C 42 cockpit tour and walk around video.

Hi... I've been flying the C 42 now for 40 hours.... I am a new pilot and I love the C 42 and flying it.

I couldn't find alot of info on youtube concerning the machine itself so here is a 10 minute overview if interested.

Thanks sir! I was doing some nice strong cross wind landings today.... they feel alright but I have along way to go!

Hello down there... I'd love to visit Australia before I'm done on this planet!

Well I have now 34 hours flight time and I finally hit some turbulence....

Here is a video of my little trip.

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Another short local flight video here in Kingston Ontario where I get thanked numerous times for getting out of the way in the zone. The Zone used to be a scary place what is less and less. Although it will always be the most dangerous area to fly in as far as traffic congestion.

Hey Geoff.....

Thank you..It's wonderful to know that folks are interested...!.. I'm glad to hit Australia from way up here in Canada. I always wanted to go and visit. My pile of cash that a friend and I were saving to go to Australia ultimately found it's way into the aviation black hole.

No regrets.

I see you have had an engine out scenario? Care to explain or give me the link to it?

Thanks

Dave

Click on link to see my first solo cross country up here in Canada. Flying an LSA called the Ikarus C 42 by Comco.

I'm 30 hours , and loving it.

I'm 56 years old and just started ground school last January.

Please check out some of my other...'watch me learn to fly' videos

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Flying the Ikarus C 42 with the Rotax 912 UL.....

I'm 30 hours in with my ULPP or LSA license.... I'm working toward my pax rating next.

How can I afford to keep doing this cool stuff anyhow?

Dave Pianosi

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The largest airshow.....skip the first 7 minutes of me gushing to get to some images that give a feel for the event

Hey Australia. What a wonderful country you have... I will visit someday... From Canada.

I'm 20 hours into my flying and am hooked.

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